Does art transcend? Would you stop?

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BlackHillsBill	Missing Something	#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2836 06/16/2009 13:42	I really wonder why I missed it the first time around, too. What's more, the reasons I come up with seem pathetically insufficient. It would surely be a mean paradox if leisure turned out to be the only framework within which we could enjoy art, if our labors somehow kept us from it or were an excuse for keeping us from it. Because--ask around--most artists will tell you it requires long, hard labor to make art, and to make it as well as it can possibly be made takes a lifetime. That we're so caught up in "lives of quiet desperation" we can't pause even for the best we have around us, the best we can be, or the best we see or hear--well that might or might not be a moral or aesthetic judgment of our condition. But if it's an apt description even so, then maybe we should work on transcendng that condition. On a scale slighty less soul-wrenching, have you ever noticed how often we're told bamboo rods are made for and are used mainly by a leisure class? Made, naturally, by hardworking artisans. That should probably stick in the craw just a little, too. Oh, and I missed reading until now Quashnet's remarks about experiencing absolute silence in nature for the first and only time. He should know that they are the best I've read here since joining this forum. Last Edited By: BlackHillsBill 06/16/2009 13:58. Edited 1 time.
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bluejayee		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 788 06/17/2009 12:53	Hi Guys, OK, I watched it and listened to it. Moral Judgement! That's my vote but I won't argue it. "What is this life if, full of care ..We have no time to stop and stare?" " He was Pretty good, that guy. It was the first time I didn't call the cops." Thorstein Veblen in 'The Theory of the Leisure Class' has some arguable views on what we do with our leisure and why we do it. 'The Man with a Hoe' asks similar but broader questions with a finger pointing that some won't like one bit. But, sad as this is, how many other scenes of pathos, inspiration, etc. do we all pass by every day? I read that Charles Darwin, in his youth, loved reading Shakespeare [not the tackle maker] but due to his focus on cataloging and scientific theorizing he was unable to appreciate him in his old age. I sure have a lotta rods languishing down in my shop. Jay Edwards
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greg hall		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 252 06/17/2009 15:17	I used my leisure time (lunch hour) to read this thread and I think you all have pulled what could have been another drab work day out of the fire for me. Thanks.
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stickleyboy		#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 32 06/17/2009 19:05	Ah, Veblen. I love and hate that guy, fellow Swede though he is. Veblen is absolutley right to point out that what we buy, display, and do with our leisure time has to do with claiming status within a social hierarchy. But it is too easy to jump from that point to the cynicism of saying that *all* judgements are nothing but social climbing or slumming. I mean you can't get away from the fact that I covet a Per Brandin (fellow Swede) quad partly because of the cache that comes with it. But I can't slide completely down the slippery slope that Thor. has prepared for us. Brandin rods are beautiful; they exhibit the highest principles of bamboo rods; there is something there that does transcend. Now finding the line between rod gourmand and rod glutton is nevertheless the task. I agree with Jay, Moral Judgment,and I'd be happy to argue the point. Jim
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FWdB		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 449 06/19/2009 12:46	Art does transcend, and I would stop. For me it's music, more than anything else. Wilfred de Bruijn The Lowlands Of Holland
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bluejayee		#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 790 06/20/2009 00:57	Hi Guys, Yes, art does transcend and I too would stop for as long as I could. Veblen seems pretty harsh but I think he had a twinkle in his eye. Jay Edwards
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tedgolden		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2892 06/20/2009 15:39 Moderator	Yes, the twinkle in his eye was a 22 year old co-ed.
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bluejayee		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 794 06/20/2009 22:43	Hi Guys, Oh Yeah, Veblen was a philanderer. I think a satirist as well, but an accurate analyst for his time. Pretty hilarious stuff. Jay Edwards
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frogmorton.fiberglassflyro...		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12 06/22/2009 10:36	As Veblen infers there are countless reasons one may stop or carry on, very few of which have to do with a true visceral appreciation of the art. We humans are a complicated bunch. I think, of the group listening, most motives would concern self image rather than the art itself. Last Edited By: frogmorton 06/22/2009 18:16. Edited 2 times.
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RPL		#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 210 06/22/2009 16:23	Interesting thread. Read the article about the Metro violinist also heard the report on NPR a while back. Not surprised. Says something about the dedication of the federal workforce and its commitment to getting to the office on time! Seriously though, you could hang the walls with Rembrandts, Van Goghs or whatever and people in a subways station would just walk by. On the other hand, I recall a piece about a museum hanging completely shlock art along with works by modern masters and finding that museum visitors lingered just as long in front of non-art as they did in front of most masterpieces. I have heard (apocryphal?) of people stopping to contemplate a fire extinguisher in the wall of the Chicago Art Institute, mistaking it for part of a modern exhibit. Human response much depends on conditioning/education and expectation, not to mention conflicting priorities. If you lined the subway exit with rows of Garrisons, Paynes, Hawes, Leonards, Granger 7030s and 8040s (sorry if I'm leaving anyone out) in perfect condition, each selling for $100, I doubt you would get any takers at L'Enfant Plaza at 8:00 a.m. Mozart, and many other artists, died paupers. Many master rod builders from the past did not do much better. Shocking. The passers-by one morning may have ignored the renditions of Joshua Bell, but overall he probably will fare much better than many of the great musicians whose music he plays. Last Edited By: RPL 06/22/2009 17:12. Edited 1 time.
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Battenkiller		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 37 06/30/2009 12:02	If I was there it would have spoiled their little prank because I would have recognized him in a heartbeat. Even if he wore a mask, I would have known that the person was some sort of virtuoso on his instrument. It's amazing that the tone alone didn't draw people to him like the Pied Piper drew rats. Top soloists like Josh Bell draw such a huge sound that it fills your head at close range. The question then becomes, would these same folks recognize this as art on their visit to the loo before hitting the office for the day: http://www.nytimes.com/19...ning.html?pagewanted=all Is a used toilet seat worth $1 million? Or even a couple hundred thousand dollars? The owners of one seat think so. That's because it's a three-holer. And not just any three-holer, but an Abstract Expressionist three-holer. And it was painted for a croquet party by Willem de Kooning, whose canvases have sold for more than $3 million, possibly with the help of one of his East Hampton, L.I., roommates at the time, Jackson Pollock, whose work is even more valuable. The seat is executed in a style typical of the two masters. But is it art? That question has spurred furious debate and fistfuls of treatises in the 7 years since the privy was bought on Long Island for $50 by Charles Vanderveer 3d, a Bridgehampton auctioneer and South Fork archeologist, and authenticated by the artist's wife, Elaine de Kooning.
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stickleyboy		#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 38 06/30/2009 14:29	I'd have to use it to tell. But I do like de Kooning.
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Battenkiller		#53	[url]	[-]
Posts: 39 06/30/2009 14:52	stickleyboy wrote: I'd have to use it to tell. But I do like de Kooning. So... if it looks look art, feels like art, smells like art... sits like art, it is art. I agree.
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