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Eperous |
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I'm are hoping to take a short, quick trip to PA with my wife - a non-angler - and two Art Weiler cane rods, where I can fish some legendary spring creeks
and then do a few other tourist like activities. So here are a few questions. How can I acquire an out-of-state PA fishing license? On-line or locally in
what kind of places? If we visit/stay in the Carlisle-Chambersburg area, my primary goal would be to fish/explore the Letort and maybe either Big Springs or
Falling Springs. Any suggestions? And most important for the sake of our marriage, any suggestions on places of interest to visit, specifically how far is PA
Dutch country from Carlisle-Chambersburg? Thanks.
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Kenov |
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I believe you can pick up a PA license online these days. Otherwise, just run by the Walmart in Carlisle or, better yet, get one at Yellow Breeches
Outfitters (fly shop) in Boiling Springs.
It may or may not be appealing to your wife, but Gettysburg is very nearby Carlisle and Chambersburg. In addition to the historical sites, there are a few nice shops in the middle of town. There are a few decent restaurants too; they even have a Thai place on Chambersburg Street now. I'm a little biased since I work there, but G'burg is really a nice little town. If you do go there, check out the catch-and-release section of Conewago Creek. Getting to the PA Dutch area (although you can find bits of the culture all over the place) will take you 1 - 1 1/2 hours, depending upon where you stay. Feel free to PM me.
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Eric Peper |
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Ed, I dunno what their current schedule is, but you might want to consider staying at Allenberry in Boiling Springs. They used to have (may still have) a
summer stock theater that was pretty good, and the dining room while unexceptional was certainly satisfying. The Yellow Breeches is quite literally out the
back door, and while you won't have the satisfaction of a ton of wild trout, the locals can be pretty entertaining. The Letort is within shouting
distance.
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Rolf Jacobsen |
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PM Sent.
Brook Trout are God's way of reminding us everything is going to be alright. |
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PA Limestoner |
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In Boiling Springs, besides the Allenberry, there is the Garmanhaus B&B on Front Street. A cane rodmaker, William Taylor, lives in this area. An old friend
from Pittsburgh, Mike Danko, lives there as well and knows the streams as well as anybody. Emily from Yellow Breeches Outfitters is a great resource too. Also,
there is a professional guide by the name of Tom Baltz who knows those streams as well as anyone. All are in the phone book.
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pafisherman1 |
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Tom Smithwick |
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I'm new to the area, and still finding my way around. I also recommend Boiling Springs. Check out Pine Grove Furnace state park, and Kings Gap. Take your
wife to dinner at the Boiling Springs Tavern. The PA Museum of flyfishing is having it's Heritage Day at Allenberry this Saturday. There will be cane rods
to look at and cast, among many other things.
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Tom Smithwick |
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I should also have mentioned that the Pa Museum maintains a permanent display at the Allenberry Resort. It's just around the corner from the main desk.
Right now it is featuring the early tackle industry in Philadelphia. Even if you don't stay at the resort, stop in for a coffee and a sticky bun and check
out the display. Anyone into antique tackle should see this if in the area.
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tedgolden |
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The Gettysburg battlefield is a strong recommendation. Don't miss the Boiling Springs Tavern, as was mentioned.
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slowcast |
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Ed,
I purchased an out of state license at Yellow Breeches Outfitters in Boiling Springs two years ago. They said PA no longer gives them licenses to sell. They went online for me and printed the license. They were quite busy at the time, so this made things a bit hectic as the connection was not very good that day. Better to do it yourself from home. Also suggest printing two copies of the license so you will have a spare if the first one gets lost or damaged. One final tip. The program will ask for your PA Drivers license number. Of course if you're from out of state you don't have one. I have typed in my resident state drivers license for two years now with no problems. I'm sure its just a mistake in the directions. |
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mmorris236 |
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The fishing advice I will leave to others but I will throw my two cents in for the other part. I think you have a civic obligation to visit Gettysburg. I have visited many of the battle fields of our past wars, I grew up near Valley Forge and the Brandywine campaigns many sites, to Trenton and Washingtons Crossing. I have been to Yorktown and Bunker Hill, Lexington and Concord. I have visited Antietem, the Shenandoah valley, the Wilderness, Petersburg and Bull Run. I have seen Normandy, Vimy Ridge (Ok Thats the Canadians), Belleau Wood and several old airbases in England from which the Bombers left for Germany, many never to return. I have even been to Tippecanoe, where a young William Henry Harrison defeated Chief Tecumseh in 1811. My point, not one of these sites affected me as Gettysburg did. It is an eery place, not in a saturday matinee funny music kind of way, but in the silence that seems to hang there like a fog. The most enduring and awe inspiring site though you may find the part of this field that affected me most viscerally somewhat odd for a Pennsylvania boy. Stand on Seminary Ridge and look across to the Union Lines on Cemetary ridge, almost a mile distant. On July 3rd 1863 General George Pickett started the Charge that bears his name leading 15,000 men across that open field. For almost a mile under the most intense enemy fire imaginable they never faltered, they breached the center of the Union lines at a point now marked by a truly insignificant memorial, but the moment was brief The union closed ranks and Pickett was ultimately thrown back, retreating back across that same unending mile of open field, only 5000 would make it back to their lines. Eight Generals led their divisions across that mile of open grass, five of them died, but Pickett is the only name remembered. To really understand what these men did you must take the now pleasant walk from Seminary Ridge over to the memorial on Cemetary ridge, only then does the real enormity of the charge hit you. It makes one wonder what could possibly make a man charge across that field into certain death. The impossibility of the endeavor is obvious and yet the Confederate Army did not falter, did not shrink from the task and almost carried the day. As a kid I remember my first trip to the battlefield. In the museum was a display of stuff dug up from route of Picketts Charge, an old bayonet, buttons, pistols and broken guns, Cannonballs and grape shot. In the case was also a pair of bullets that had hit head on in mid air and welded themselves together. Think of the odds against that. That two bullets hit so completely in line with each other that they simply melded into a single deformed ball of lead, rather than ricochetting away. A guy was commenting on that to the curator, who agreed that the odds against such a perfect strike were astronomical, but pointed out that tens of thousands of bullets were being fired in both directions each minute of the battle. He then opened a drawer in the exhibit pedestal and brought out a shoebox full to the top with bullets that had hit head on in mid air, there were over 100 of them in that box. The fury of that day boggles the mind, it is incomprehensible to those of us who did not endure it. I do not think that even in the trenches of flanders the volume of opposing fire was ever as heavy as it was at Gettysburg on that hot July afternoon in 1863. Amazingly enough, Pickett Survived that charge and when years after the event was asked why the charge had failed was qoted as replying "I always thought the Yankees had something to do with that." Pickett, who graduated 59th out of a class of 59 from West point in 1847, a class that would produce 20 General Staff members for both sides of the war, including Stonewall Jackson and George McClellan spent the rest of the war in obscurity. He fought in North Carolina for the remainder of the war, being relieved from duty the day before Lee surrendered at Appomatax Courthouse. He fled to Canada to avoid prosecution but returned to the US when President Grant Pardoned the confederacy. He ended his life as an insurance salesman, it is also reported that to his dying day he blamed Lee issuing the order that decimated his division. The battle itself was not truly important to the outcome of the war, it would be decades before historians started to see it as the turning point, and our history books make more of its impact than either side felt at the time. Both sides took heavy casualties and needed to nurse their wounds before continuing the fight, although had McClellan pushed forward after the retreating Lee he would have trapped the entire Army of Virginia against the Potomac River and might well have ended the war right there. So with this overlong and extremely windy introduction, go to gettysburg, walk the battlefield and listen to the eerie silence. |
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Kenov |
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You can buy licenses once again at Yellow Breeches Outfitters. Lots of changes have taken place there in recent months. Certainly, though, it's always
safest to do it at home. I sure am looking forward to Heritage Day this weekend.
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Flykuni2 |
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morris, I went to Gettysburg last spring. Many thanks for this post.
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Eperous |
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Gents first and foremost, thanks for the feedback and suggestions... I've been doing some on-line research via Google and still laying out plans... But, I
have some comments below, and a few more questions....
The fishing license question is figured out --- thanks... Based upon what I've read on-line, I am really leaning towards Allenberry as a base of opeartions for a couple days as several folks have suggested. I do want to fish the Letrot, and now I guess Boiling Spring - plus... my goal is to retrace some history on PA spring creeks.... Some 3-4 decades ago in my formative fly fishing years the works/books of Charlie Fox, and then Vince Marinaro, truly influenced my development as aa angler... I've read/own several hundred books on this topic, and to this day I still feel Marinaro's "In the Ring of the Rise" is in the top 10-15 "best ever" books written on this subject.... just my bias 2 cents... With that said, I'm assuming that most of my angling will be done over "stocked trout" that have become wily after seeing lots of flies? Normally I don't travel, especially long distances, to fish over stocked fish - no insult intended at all, but the historic aspect of this trip really interests me... I have seen/flexed Bill Taylor cane rods at The Fly Fishing Show held in Somerset, NJ every January.... nice, thanks for this lead/info.... We do plan to spend some time in PA Dutch Country near Lancaster.... I think my wife, and I, would enjoy this.... Mr. Morris, thanks for your post, I agree with much of it..... Both my wife and I have already been to Gettsburrg... coming back from the Great Smokey Mountain National Park - a place I highly recommend - a few years ago, we stopped there on the eve of July 4th.... I believe there was a commerative event plus there was a reenactment of prior battles... It was awe inspiring and moved us deeply.... we walked/visited several of the places that you mentioned... as the sun set we transvered through grave yards with rows and rows of white headstones that made us pause and ponder what price these soliders paid for the country that we enjoy today.... we looked/read/and captured digital images of statutes of soliders from NYS and this area.... as you said, it was a very errie experience, not one to be taken lightly.... So... a couple more questions.... It poured rain here all day, Catskill streams are BLOWN out..... are these PA spring creeks effected as much by the weather.... my guess is not? And if we stay in Allenberry, what three spring creeks should be on my list to fish/visit... Thanks one and all.... Ed |
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Eperous |
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One other question..... the Boiling Spring Tavern.... I did see that advertised on-line, and it also sounds interesting..... do they brew their own beer? While travelling, we enjoy visiting/eating at local microbreweries.... as I mentioned, my wife is not an angler of any sort - great cook, excellent painter, possesses many talents that I wish I had - neither is she a beer drinker either... with that said, she enjoys microbreweries and always picks out some of the best tasting beer I ever drank.... it relates to her cooking skills as she reads the ingredients in the beer.... Me, I just want to know if it's cold and wet.... When we visited Gettysburg years ago, we stopped in this little hole-in-the-wall historic tavern that had excellent food and some of the best beer - a microbrewery - either of us ever drank.... wish I could remember the name of the place..... I've never seen their beer anywhere, but we did bring some home that we savored for a bit....
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nativebrownie |
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Ed,
Yes, my area of VA, MD is also blown out now - actually April & May were more than double the usual rainfall. I have watched this closely and while SO. PA has gotten good rain, it seems to be manageable. Also, as you know, the Spring Creeks are far less effected. Actually, fish better a little murky. NB |
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Ed - The Tavern is not a micro brewery, but is first class dining. If you want wild trout, check out Big Spring, which is coming back after years of abuse.
It's only 20 minutes from Boiling Springs. It's not an easy place. You might want to talk to the people at the Yellow Breeches Outfitters for some
advice or a guide. My advice, based on limited experience is don't spend a lot of time at the spring, but try the marshy stretches downstream in the
evenings. You should see some caddis or sulphur activity.
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Kenov |
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I think the only brewery in G'burg right now is Appalachian Brewery, next to General Lee's Headquarters. There used to be another one, but the name is
escaping me.
My favorite spring creek is the Letort, followed by Falling Spring (which can be a bit odd in places, as it flows through a suburban area), and then Big Spring. Like Tom said, Big Spring is coming back. If you end up wanting a guide, I can recommend PM you some recommendations. All the YBO guides are good, though. Fishing in the spring creeks can definitely be affected by the rains, but nothing like it is in the other local streams.
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Rolf Jacobsen |
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Brook Trout are God's way of reminding us everything is going to be alright. |
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pafisherman1 |
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Ed In follow up if we get clobbered with rain as we did last nite it generally takes a couple of days for the streams to settle down. The Yellow Breeches is
the worst but it can make the Letort tough to fish also. I find in that case Clarks Creek or Stoney Creek in Dauphin Co the best bet. They are about 45 mins
from Allenberry. Also I am a big fan of The Boiling Springs Tavern but if you want to try a bunch of Mocro Brews there is a place in Carlisle right down town
(10 mins from Boiling Springs) called The Market Cross pub that is worth a stop.
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Eperous |
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Bill - and everyone else,
Thanks for the suggestions, info, and leads.... here in the Catskills we got dumped on with rain - at least the eastern region where I live..... upwards of 3" Thursday/Friday and another hefty down pour today..... creeks are up, and probably will be for a few days... Ed |
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