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tedgolden		#141	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2912 06/28/2009 20:24 Moderator	These aluminum bats.... How far can they fly? Do they live in caves?
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DrakeBob		#142	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1410 06/28/2009 20:55 Formerly Drake	They're a nuisance. Every season I hook one or two while fishing into the evening. I hate that ping sound they make when the hook drives home. Piscator Non Solum Piscatur
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BlackHillsBill	Dr. Frankenfly	#143	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2918 06/29/2009 08:23	You have to admit, though, they help control our plague of titanium-nosed mosquitoes, which, by sheer numbers alone, you'd think could be tied up into a great dry-fly pattern. But, no, the little boogers sink like a rock. Deet won't dent the real ones either. Last Edited By: BlackHillsBill 06/29/2009 08:29. Edited 1 time.
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greg hall		#144	[url]	[-]
Posts: 262 06/29/2009 11:09	I am not assuming to speak for bswild but my take on the phrase "If anything is unamerican" is that in this country we often mean that something is an unwelcome break from tradition and I took bswild's use of the phrase in that way. If the phrase had been used in the context of an american tradition or product vs. that of another country and derogatory towards that foreign tradition or product, then I can understand seeing it as being close to or over the line of "overt nationalism" or xenophobia which unfortunately crops up here from time to time. One question that occurs to me in relation to this subject. Do internet forums originating in other countries have prohibitions against saying something that might offend readers from other countries such as the U.S.? Not being argumentative, it's a question that just occurred to me. Last Edited By: greg hall 06/29/2009 11:46. Edited 1 time.
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Ken M 44		#145	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3091 06/29/2009 11:22 Immoderatus Britannicus	Do internet forums originating in other countries have prohibitions against saying something that might offend readers from other countries such as the U.S.? Absolutely - especially with the inherent threat of aluminium bats stockpiled in readiness.
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pcg		#146	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3042 06/29/2009 12:07 Admin	In addition, offenders frequently find themselves besieged, while fishing, by titanium-nosed mosquitoes--that is, those mosquitoes lucky enough to have escaped the marauding aluminum bats. It's tough out there.
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BlackHillsBill		#147	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2920 06/29/2009 13:19	Greg, this doesn't quite get to the gist of your question. But it's as close as my experience lets me come. When we were (in 1974, the big Watergate year) at the University of Trondheim, where I was teaching a few American literature classes, both the Norwegian faculty and students were naturally curious about my and my family's reactions to the hearings--but politely so. Coffee breaks became a forum of sorts. And as in other places of friendly discussion, politeness gradually grew to include jokes and some good-natured teasing. Because my family were South Dakotans, the Norwegians were interested in hearing about Indian-white relations. And because I had attended Auburn University in the late 50's and early 60's (during the Wallaces, the Selma events, and other such), that became fair game for conversation too. One can talk about "sensitive" subjects if people are sensitive and maintain both a sense of humor and a sense of civility. They were more adroit at it than I was. Being closely surrounded by Laplanders, Swedes, Danes, Finns, and British Islanders gave them lots of practice I suppose. There were no hard and fast rules about what was okay and what was off-limits. Those things usually can be worked out by trail-and-error, give-and-take, and unspoken mutual consent. I can't imagine any web forum in which they were particpants or which they originated being offensive to Americans. But I can imagine it being free-spirited. The Norwegian I watched fishing for salmon, or maybe just for practice, was also a much more adroit fly-caster than I'll ever be. I used to sit on the river bank not far from the great cathedral and watch him cast. The river, even then, was not a great fishery (with too much of citified life and of industry beside it). But that didn't really matter. Watching him cast was what counted, and that part was idyllic. Last Edited By: BlackHillsBill 06/29/2009 13:40. Edited 1 time.
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greg hall		#148	[url]	[-]
Posts: 263 06/29/2009 15:16	Bill, Thanks for the benefit of your experience. I imagine that rubbing shoulders, so to speak, with others does help with the understanding and respect for their opinions and values as well as having an open mind and a sense of humor about ones own foibles. Watching a highly skilled fly caster is always a special treat. You didn't happen to ask that fellow about his favorite 5wt. did you? Last Edited By: greg hall 06/29/2009 15:26. Edited 2 times.
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BlackHillsBill		#149	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2921 06/29/2009 17:36	Well I was about to ask him, Greg, then reconsidered. Probably would have had my passport confiscated. Everybody has a limit.
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pcg		#150	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3048 06/29/2009 19:06 Admin	Thinking factually, versus romantically, if he were casting for Salmon, he was not using a 5-wt. That would have been a 9-10-11 weight rod & the casts would have been long, swooping S-curves at 60-70 feet. That is, unless he were using a Spey rod, & then the casts would have been 100-130-feet. Talk about beautiful.
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BlackHillsBill	So maybe I don't have an off-switch, but . . .	#151	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2922 06/29/2009 20:31	It wasn't a spey rod and certainly not a 5 wt. Of course he gets better in the after-images. That's the way the memory works. Even so this guy could really lay out line--easily and beautifully. Casting a graceful long line, on a fine river, in the shadow an ancient cathedral--how could that be matched by any postcard or, for all I know, by any place short of or including heaven? An American asking a question at that moment--let alone our timeless forum ur-question about a favorite 5-wt rod--would have assured himself of a place well short.
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BlackHillsBill	Strolling Around the Forum	#152	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2924 07/01/2009 10:11	Some might conclude I spend most of my my time at the Forum in the Ephemera section either following the current bang-bang-bang theory of human dissolution and of the accompanying ruination of fly-fishing as we once knew it or contributing jokes to this thread. But what I like most is taking a morning stroll around the place. I check in on friends to see what they've beeen posting. Then I look around for what the journalists used to call "human interest stories"--either because they were of interest to humans, not orangutans, or because they were about interesting humans. It's the latter I like, and the two which have really caught me up lately are Pete from MA's photo-story about fishing with his senior friend at Cape Cod and the story of the black-snake infestation at Andy's woodpile. Good pictures are also a treat for a guy whose camera skills faded altogether after the Kodak Brownie. And they're everywhere to be found around here, especially in the Collecting Bamboo Rods section and the Classic Reels section. It's good to salivate a bit before having your breakfast toast. The accompanying text can be invigorating, too. Eric Peper did a report on a new AJ rod, without a picture, but which was so well put none was necessary. Then there was a chance stop at the Rod and Reel Makers section, where I ran across a post by Holireels showing some 5-wt raised-pillar reels he had made, so beautiful and well designed they take the breath away. Glancing around is part of it, too, for I generally turn up things I haven't yet but should have considered, such as double-taper leaders. I like to finish my strolls by stopping in on Book Talk to pick up recommendations and finally by checking the Classifieds for something I didn't know I needed but now will find it difficult to do without. For me, that's the best part of foruming. And a little fun here doesn't hurt.
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mr flymph		#153	[url]	[-]
Posts: 137 07/01/2009 11:18	BlackHillsBill wrote: the current bang-bang-bang theory of human dissolution and of the accompanying ruination of fly-fishing as we once knew it BHB, I don't know quite what to make of your above comment. Are you suggesting that gun enthusiasts are contributing to the dissolution of humanity, etc., or am I reading something in to this that wasn't intended?
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DrakeBob		#154	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1413 07/01/2009 11:40 Formerly Drake	If I may interject... I think what Bill is saying is that if you read the comments of some of the gun enthusiasts in that thread they seem to be heralding the dissolution of society, not that they are contributing to it. I'd be considerably less worried about the portrayal of this country in a silly South Park cartoon than its portrayal by some of the commentary here. After reading some of this stuff, I could understand why our international members would second-guess coming here and if they do, why they might not want to venture out of their hotels. Piscator Non Solum Piscatur Last Edited By: DrakeBob 07/01/2009 11:47. Edited 1 time.
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mr flymph		#155	[url]	[-]
Posts: 138 07/01/2009 12:09	Main Entry: ²herald Function: transitive verb Date: 14th century 1: to give notice of : announce2 a: to greet especially with enthusiasm DrakeBob, I assume you are referring to definition #1, not #2 when you used the term "heralding". Even then, I think the term is a little strong given what I've read in that thread. You may regard South Park as a silly cartoon, but it's writers use this "silly cartoon" as a venue to make a lot of social commentary. To their credit, they are equal opportunity offenders, but it is far from being just a silly cartoon.
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DrakeBob		#156	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1414 07/01/2009 12:21 Formerly Drake	I used it as "announce." Although I do think there are some extreme wing-nuts out there who might delight in the dissolution of society, I don't believe that's anyone here. My point on the cartoon by labeling it "silly" is that I think we need to give people - here and abroad - credit for having enough on the ball to put it into context. Hopefully that takes care of the semantics. Piscator Non Solum Piscatur
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BlackHillsBill	After the Stroll	#157	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2925 07/01/2009 15:27	DrakeBob wrote: Hopefully that takes care of the semantics. It does for me, Bob. Thank you. mr. flymph, nothing about my comment suggests "gun enthusiasts" are "contributing" to the dissolution of society, only that there is evidently plenty of worry over armed violence determining how Americans act. That much seems clear. I understand this to be primarily and mainly a classic bamboo fly rod forum, whose administrators have been exceptionally generous in letting us discuss things ancillary to that main concern and even to talk about other matters for which it's a stretch to figure their relationship to that concern, including some things which have found their way onto this thread and including as well enthusiasm for guns. That seems clear, too.
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greg hall		#158	[url]	[-]
Posts: 264 07/01/2009 15:52	I grew up in eastern Oregon in the John Day area. I think every household had at least one deer rifle and may be a .22 or two. My father who was more a fisherman than hunter taught me gun safety and took me out shooting in between the occasional fishing trips. At the age of six I was given a Stevens single shot lever action .22 to use whenever I wanted. I still have it. Hand guns were not as common place or popular as they are now. In that place and in those days you really never thought twice about someone carrying a rifle or having one in the rifle rack in their pickup. You also didn't have emotionaly disturbed people walking into a mall, court room, post office or school and shooting everyone they can see with an assault rifle. All of these events, their frequency and random nature has created an evironment where the sight of someone carrying a gun understandably makes a lot of folks nervous if not alarmed. They may see the very act of someone carrying as being some kind of threat. If I was hiking back into some remote area I wouldn't think twice about meeting another hiker who was carrying a firearm and I would likely be similarly armed. What bothers me these days are the guys like that fly fisherman who though it necessary to display his pistol and declare "I'm fishing here". I also find it sort of troubling that someone owns guns and carries one as a political act. Not sure about why, it just does. I'm 63 and I grew with guns in the house and used them as a kid though I became a fisherman rather than a hunter. If I lived in back in eastern Oregon I would likely have a shotgun and a rifle in a rack in my truck during the hunting season. So I don't take sides on the gun issues but I do try to look these in the most unbiased way I know how. It sure is a different world. Bill, Sorry to take what was intended as a fun seeking rambling thread and be so serious but I've had my say on this and I promise to return to my foolish ways. Last Edited By: greg hall 07/01/2009 16:03. Edited 2 times.
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BlackHillsBill	An Unusual Point of View, Although Not For a Fisherman	#159	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2926 07/01/2009 18:25	You'll remember the guy who sent me the book with this in it, Greg. Very good book. Helps with days like this one. The water spider bounces on his legs but cannot shake the lake. That explains many things, among them: (1) what it's like to be a water spider (The lake you're in is the lake where you are. Don't fool yourself about getting around that); (2) what it's like to feel like a water spider today, July 1, 2009 (If the lake isn't going away any time soon, and if one is not skilled at walking on water, he'd better keep his eye on the spider for pointers). All in all, though, it's a pretty good day even for one who's found that, on it, he must go to school with the water spider. That's how I feel about things and events. Good to get it off my chest. Demands for clarification will be ignored.
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pcg	Request for Clarification	#160	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3059 07/01/2009 19:55 Admin	Ah, Bill, could you clarify what you mean?!!! I'm ignoring your utterly unacceptable statement, "Demands for clarification will be ignored." I'm particularly interested in those water spiders. Thanks, Pat
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