BHB, your wit is beginning to outrace my credulity. Eloquent as you remain, I cannot imagine you reverting to "the garlic-clove defense" while on
stream. Please.
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Posts: 3026 06/26/2009 16:49 Admin |
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Posts: 3027 06/26/2009 18:59 Admin |
Anecdotes can be things of fantasy or not. Usually not. One dictionary's primary definition is:
"a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person" [note the real incident portion of the definition] Secondary definitions refer to the imaginary. Still, I admit to liking the garlic clove defense, however fantastical. :-) |
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Posts: 985 06/26/2009 19:36 |
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the same as the "impregnated truth?" The brook runs over the bones of the planet and carries the sky on its back…. Odell Shepard |
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Posts: 396 06/28/2009 17:35 |
I've seen those ads for handguns in the fly fishing mags. Ostensibly, these things are for "protection" while out West or in Alaska. I guess the
logic follows that the pistol is there to shoot yourself with, so you don't have to go through the pain of the bear chewing your face off.
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Posts: 6077 06/28/2009 19:22 the Canefather |
What I carry is grey and weighs a little over 3 lbs, hasn't failed me yet........
banjo
Fly fishing is my Quisisana (the name is Italian for "place where one heals one's self.") "...... SLG Visit my website about Bamboo rods... Fishnbanjo's Place |
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Posts: 139 06/29/2009 04:47 |
yikes. I've heard stories of the nutters in NY during the salmon run pulling guns out, but never witnessed it myself. I dont carry anything. I've known
people whose vehicles were broken into. never mine. maybe I've been lucky, maybe I have good vibes or karma. I dont lock the doors either. I have a jeep
wrangler, and its better to lose a $300 fishing rod or whatever than have a $700 cavas top destroyed with a knife and lose the rod. I figure living
with fear is much worse than having something taken from me. but man oh man, the two hillbillies story kinda wiggd me out. all I can think of is Larry, Daryl
and Daryl from the Newhart show.
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Posts: 218 06/29/2009 19:32 |
Banjo, Just a minute here! I thought this was a PG-rated, family-oriented site!
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Posts: 622 06/30/2009 10:14 |
I have always appreciated your wit and wisdom. I only have one question: What is your life worth? These days, criminals are not content with merely taking your
stuff, at least in the bigger cities. These days they want to shot someone to make themselves look big to their thug buddies. I for one, do not intend to let
them take my life without a fight. And yes, I carry a gun every day of my life, everywhere I go. Why, because I live close to and work in a metro area with 4
million people. I would rather live in the country where I know all my neighbors, but even then, you have to be careful of the meth cookers.
It may seem foolish or too extreme to some of you but my life and my wife's life are important to me. If y'all want to let a thug kill you and yours then take your stuff, have at it. I am comfortable with my choices and it matters not how someone else views my choices. The incident in the woods is only 1 incident and believe me, it wasn't imagined. Neither were the 2 other times when someone foolishly thought to threaten my life. It turned out when their prey was armed, they had no stomach for the affair. Niggle all you guys want, it shan't bother me.       
The trout takes the fly, the line tightens and it's like I was blind, but now I
see.
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Posts: 15 06/30/2009 10:56 |
and I'm still wondering if the condom-carriers are practicing concealed carry.
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Posts: 2016 06/30/2009 19:31 Registered User |
Kind of interesting how one poster here made the Beemer driver the bad guy. Was he supposed to stand by and let those two yahoos beat him up with a bat and
most probably rape his girlfriend. He didn't pull the gun, legal or not, until they came after him with a weapon. Thief and lawbreaker? I think not, but
then that's the modern socially and politically correct thinking. Call 911 just before you get killed and let the cops pick up the mess (you). I'd
rather shoot a bad guy threatening me or my family than let him do it and count on the authorities to make it all better. Hopefully, my attorney could get all
of the people who think guns and the people who own them are bad, off the jury.
I've had to walk away from a couple of potentially bad situations while fishing where my age and size had me at a distinct disadvantage and made me an attractive target. In both cases, fishing custom, etiquette, and the law had me in the right, but leaving was the easiest and safest way out. But it left the punks in control of a couple of my favorite fishing spots, and because of the bad taste it left, I never went back. gofish |
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Posts: 143 06/30/2009 19:46 |
Finn wrote:i'm sure most of you realise this,but for the few who don't i'd like to comment on finn's post.please let me tell you i mean no insult to you finn at all and this is not an attack or flame on you.different things work in different areas. in philadelphia,if you left ammo showing on your seat,you WOULD be the target of a smash and grab.it would be worse than a sign that said"there's lots of cash in this car".a thief might think there is also a gun in the car they could steal.and of course they could just take the ammo and try to sell it for a dollar.trust me,i've had so many car windows replaced that i started to leave my windows rolled down and my car empty when i had a car.(i haven't had a car for ten years or so,although i'm shopping for one) so anyway,there are some places where leaving ammo showing would be bad idea.it is kind of like brandishing a shotgun in a bad neighborhood.you'd think it would scare people away,but really it makes the neighbors know there is a shotgun to steal while you're out. |
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Posts: 78 06/30/2009 20:18 |
I stand by my statement. The last time I checked, taking property at the point of a gun was armed robbery -- a felony. The BMW driver set those guys up. He
could have proceeded to a police station instead of luring them down a dead end road and pulling an illegal gun on them.
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Posts: 60 06/30/2009 20:25 |
No insult read into it. Washington and Idaho are shall issue and open carry States. Anyone seeing an open box of ammunition in a car or truck anywhere would
be a fool to think the owner didn't have the weapon with him. Not knowing where that was could be fatal.
You don't hear of many break ins of Hunter's vehicles either. 
I do know guys who always drive old beaters to the river and always leave them unlocked and empty. I know that is practical but seems a bit like admitting to the loss of control of your life and surroundings to me. The County I live in is the size of Rhode Island and has 3 County Sheriff's and 3 Washington State Patrol Officers on duty after 7PM. When you need a Cop they are only hours away. |
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Posts: 435 06/30/2009 22:31 |
After carefully viewing that video, I'm of the opinion that it was all an act by a local drama club. The participants just didn't exhibit the appropriate amount of road rage for the context. The actors didn't seem very well cast either. I'm almost 60 and I could have knocked the snot out of the 2 slackers in the truck. And the dim-bulb driving the BMW? Why would any sane person put his passenger at risk like that? Yeah, he had his little pistol along for the ride, but how could he have known that the dudes in the truck weren't CC'ing real handguns (i.e., suitable for use in brown bear country or Detroit)? Nope, it just doesn't ring true. But, like most lame instructional videos, it still has its value. Now, the question in this thread was what do you carry for protection on your journey, but we've all focused on the fishing part instead of the driving part. The greater danger in this life by far is on the streets and roads and not the rivers and trails. I fear that the tweakers, cell phone users and other knuckleheads behind the wheel will take me out long before any bushwacker. Good defensive driving is the only help for it. Drive safely and buckle up, everyone! |
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Posts: 11 06/30/2009 23:02 |
I'm with Southbranch on this one. The entire time I was watching, I thought it was staged. And talk about playing to stereotypes!
Like everyone on this forum, I have no intention of being whacked by criminals. In my experience, few of them have enough intelligence or energy to outwit me. I have found my vestpocket telephone with digital camera to be a huge deterrent in the couple of vocal confrontations I have had with trespassers. The mere threat that I was phoning in images to the sheriff had the desired effect, never mind that my cell phone service doesn't even extend to my usual fishing grounds. As Banjo said, the best protection is the 3 lbs between your shoulders. |
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Posts: 2017 06/30/2009 23:55 Registered User |
Although I don't agree with him, a good friend who is a police officer told me that under no circumstances would he go cross country with his family
without a firearm, legal or not, in this day and age. He said if the public really knew about all of the stuff that goes on out there they'd be too scared
to go out.
So, staged or not, I still side with the guy in the Beemer. He didn't do anything aggressive until totally provoked and threatened by a couple of pretty scary and very large, and may I add armed-that bat was a weapon, I'd venture to say- people. They made the age old mistake of bringing a bat to a gunfight. I see what he did as some pretty passive self defense. If he in fact "lured" those two poor souls up that deadend, why didn't he just shoot them instead of merely stranding and inconveniencing them and embarrassing them by publishing the video? gofish |
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Arctic Grayling.fiberglassflyro... |
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Posts: 51 07/01/2009 04:24 |
This is all interesting reading, but I live in a different world. I have fished, hunted, and camped in Alaska since I came up here in the military in 1971.
Even Anchorage is bear country as we were reminded last summer when a teenage girl on her bicycle and a woman jogger were both mauled in the city.
We don't have any carry permit requirements. We are not required to have our weapons in cases in our vehicles. We are not required to transport our weapons unloaded in our vehicles. There are very few places where firearms are prohibited. We are allowed to used deadly force to protect our lives and the lives of our loved ones. It is unlikely that charges would be filed if an intruder was shot, even less likely that there would be a conviction by a jury of your peers. I usually fish by myself away from the line of combat fishermen. I always pack a .44 magnum when I am fishing streams. When I camp I have the .44 and a 12 gauge pump in my tent with me. During hunting season I might even have the .338 magnum in there with me. Most of the people I see fishing on the back streams are also carrying firearms. We don't think anything of it. To us as someone said earlier, the firearms are just tools. Sure our odds of killing a brown bear with a .44 may not be good, but it has been done. I'd rather have the chance of protecting myself than be completely defenseless. Instead of a firearm I do carry bear spray if I am hauling my float tube down a trail to a launch point. For as much as I've been out in the wild in all my years up here I have really seen very few bears. Sometimes I can sense that they are around, but they stay hidden. I've seen more bears on the Russian River than anywhere else. One of the last times I was there I had a foul hooked sockeye on when some fishers came down the streamside trail and said there was a bear coming. Rather than just cut my line I brought the sockeye in and released it and then headed downstream. When I got down to where there were others they told me the bear was on the bluff just above me watching me release that fish very intently. Most of the bears I've seen on the Russian are intent on their own fishing and I just head the other direction when I see them. Unfortunately in recent years the bears there have learned that it is easier to let the fishermen catch them some fish so they approach them and take their stringers and/or their backpacks with lunches. Those bears usually end up dead. The reality is that when you encounter a bear while fishing with the sound of the water and all the trees and weeds you are probably going to surprise one and the bear will just be defending itself, its young, or it's food. Most likely you won't have time to use a firearm, bear spray, or a condom. But I still want to have an option for protection in case the bear does return after the initial attack. It all other situations I would retreat if possible when I do see a bear. The firearm would be used only as a last resort. And as someone said, the firearm can also be used to end the pain. |
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Posts: 135 07/01/2009 09:26 |
Ask any police officer and, if they are honest about it, they will tell you that in most instances they are NOT going to come to your aid in a timely manner,
much as they would like to. We can talk about the RIGHT to carry a gun, but how about the citizen taking RESPONSIBILITY for their own safety and not relying
on law enforcement to come to their rescue?
The first thing you should do in any of the encounters mentioned is ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN and "skin your smokewagon" as a last resort. To accomplish this, however, one must be equipped with both a brain and a "smokewagon". |
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Posts: 41 07/01/2009 09:36 |
I always carry at least a couple of knives, sometimes three. On my lanyard is a small red Gerber knife that I found in the shallows on the Bighorn. I have a
bigger Gerber that I keep with a spare car key on another cord around my neck. Both knives are kept razor sharp.
My main knife is a bit more effort to deploy when I'm wearing waders, but it is a sturdy and particularly lethal little Spyderco "Native". About 20 years ago I spent a crazy summer studying stick and knife fighting with a very scary individual who learned his craft in the Philippines. I never got extremely proficient, but I learned enough to know how effective a knife can be in combat. Unless you have a gun (and then only if you are at least three arm lengths away), a knife will do a number on you in short order when wielded by a skilled practitioner. So far, the only time I came close to using it was on some drunken river tubers (kinda like river potatoes) who were harassing me while fishing on the Battenkill. I came extremely close to popping their tubes with a knife I had slipped into my hand at the first hurled insult. After they passed I realized it would have been better to sever the cord they had their beer dangling from. By the time they recovered their precious cargo I would have been safely on the bank and headed toward my car in a hurry. |
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Posts: 623 07/01/2009 09:44 |
BlackHillsBill wrote: BHB, I'm not assuming anything here, just asking a question. Apparently discussing this issue without insult is more strenuous than it should be for us. It's good to have friends. I have a couple myself with which I can politely discuss any issue. Good day to you Sir. 
The trout takes the fly, the line tightens and it's like I was blind, but now I
see.
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