Digger Degere's rods seem to stay with their owners. I think I have seen 1 or 2 for sale in the last 15 years or so.
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Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.
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Posts: 2242 06/29/2009 19:49 |
I can't recall the last Canfield I've seen for re-sale, if I ever have........?
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wish I´d seen more Harms´... | #63 | ||
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Posts: 146 06/30/2009 07:03 |
Has someone mentioned Bill Harms yet?
In the 3 or 4 years since I first came across his work (that article in the Art of Angling Journal...) I have seen a total of 4 rods offered in the secondary market. I managed to grab two of them. One of the other two was a little too exotic in configuration for my taste, the other was taken before I got through to the seller. Missed it by a few hours the most... Wish I´d a seen more of Bill´s rods offered but I shure know why I didn´t... And I second the vote for Mike Clark´s wonderfull rods as some very rare offerings in the used market. I don´t think I really saw more than five rods or so offered in the last couple years. The one rod that was offered here is now proudly owned (and fished a lot) by my children´s father. Andy |
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Posts: 918 06/30/2009 07:25 |
so can we agree that of the most popular names (full time, established makers with reasonable production numbers!) the ones that very rarely hit the secondary
market are:
Per Brandin Mike Clark Mario Wojnicki Jeff Wagner Jim Reams Dana Gray Dave Kenney more rods available than from the ones above: Walt Carpenter Bob Taylor Homer Jennings C. and S. Jenkins This reads like a wish-list big time!
Last Edited By: maruoff 07/01/2009 02:07.
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Posts: 3051 06/30/2009 14:33 Admin |
Edit that post, Maruoff, to add Jeff Hatton & Dave Male to the first list. Thanks. :-)
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Posts: 987 06/30/2009 14:41 |
Abrams
The brook runs over the bones of the planet and carries the sky on its back…. Odell Shepard |
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Posts: 592 06/30/2009 14:52 |
I had a chance to talk to Dave today and he feels he does not belong on that list as he is not a full time builder as all the others mentioned are.
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Posts: 3052 06/30/2009 16:02 Admin |
Dave's being too modest, as that also describes Per, Abrams and possibly others. I don't think the original question included "full time" as
a criteria.
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European rod makers? | #69 | ||
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Posts: 7 06/30/2009 18:16 |
This is certainly a nice list, but they are all Americans, or working in this country. Are there any contemporary European cane rod worthy of mention?
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Posts: 1263 06/30/2009 20:40 |
Dave is definitely full time, he is just overly consumed with "product testing" to the point where it sometimes becomes a handicap to his output .
Just another eccentric genius with a passion for perfection I guess. As a delighted owner of two, I bet very few of Dave's rods will ever surface on the
secondary market
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Posts: 227 06/30/2009 22:15 |
Just curious; how many rods does a full time modern rod maker have to produce for his producction output to be classified as "reasonable"?
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Posts: 2865 06/30/2009 23:17 Moderator |
One possible view would be that most "full-time" makers with "reasonable" output are somewhere in the 30-50 rods per year range. The
estimates for making a rod run from 30-60hrs per for your typical rod. Call it 45 and you've got a work week there. 52 weeks a year, some vacation, some
fishing, and there you have it.
"If you finish in 7 days, I'll pay you for 10. If you finish in 10 days, I'll pay you for 7." ~Ballykissangel
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Posts: 571 07/01/2009 00:02 |
Just thinking out loud here but i think if a maker has at least 250 rods out there and less than a half dozen have been seen for sale by there owners in a 10
year period,that would qualify as being scarce on the secondary market{roughly 2.5%}.Don't want to ruffle any feathers but i have seen no less than 8
Sweetgrass rods come up for sale by there owners in less than one year[probably has a lot to do with the economy}
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maruoff |
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Posts: 919 07/01/2009 02:12 |
not many European makers that would qualify for that list. The ones that spring to mind are Edward Barder (only very few available), Tom Moran and Bjarne
Fries. The odd Fries rod turns up from time to time as is the case with Brunner and also Tom Moran rods. But these gentlemen have produced a serious number of
rods and have (or had) been in the business for a long time so it is not a question of quality why their rods are sold but of sellers-profit and availability.
In that respect they somehow do not fit into that list of makers that are nearly never available.
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Posts: 2245 07/01/2009 16:21 |
caddisman3 wrote:Yes, Karl, the numerous SG's being available from owners has been noted before - as you say, they seem to be people who take delivery and then don't hold on, for whatever reason. But my impression is that there are already many Sweetgrass rods out the door, so the percentage may also be rather small..... |
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Posts: 3959 07/01/2009 21:22 Local user |
Karl,
At least 2-3 rods of those rods were sold by fly shops who had ordered rods for customers who possibly bailed on them with this economy. The economy has an effect on all of us so we set new priorities. Sweetgrass has sent out over 200+ rods in the last 1 1/2 years which probably equates to 4-5 years of production if not more of a fulltime rodmaker. Dennis |
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Posts: 2246 07/02/2009 16:20 |
Wow, that's a bunch of rods in a year and a half.......!
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Posts: 2821 07/02/2009 17:35 |
Bah da bing...........400 grand or more! Sweet!!!!!!
Bob Go Heels!!! |
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Posts: 3065 07/02/2009 17:43 Admin |
"Sweet"? Not one of the rodmakers made a decent living if that was the gross. Deduct expenses--materials, rent, taxes, ad infinitum--and no one did
well. Sweet, indeed.
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Just a whimsical post there Pat! | #80 | ||
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Posts: 2824 07/02/2009 18:30 |
Didn't intend to raise any hackles! Sweet indeed. I guess they are doing what they aspire to do and are making a decent living.
They don't appear to be deprived. Bob Go Heels!!!
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