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bobbeegee |
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My comments were in no way proffered to disparage Mr. Young. Just some thoughts as to why one of his Perfectionists may cast somewhat differently from another
of the same make. I think Quashnet and Harry have adressed this most admirably!
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Bucky |
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I have never had the opporunity to mike a rod built by Mr. Young's hand but I have been told that the dimensions are all over the board on the rods.
(Which I would guess is the case on many cane rods. No disrespect to Paul Young rods here.)
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quashnet |
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Bob: It never occurred to me that your comments were in any way disparaging. I personally doubt that the "ring of fire" was meant to hide defects in
Young cane, but others are free to disagree. I base my belief on the fact that Young continued to offer blonde cane rods in his 1948 catalog after developing
and introducing his flame-finish technique. I know of three Young rods that were built within a three-month period in the spring of 1948. The earliest of these
rods was the first Para 16, which was flame-finished in a mottled tone and kept by Paul Young as a personal rod. The second rod was another Para 16, probably
the second one built, and it is blonde, and now owned by a Forum member. The third one is a caramel-color rod, not mottled but very smoothly flamed without
defects. This was a time of experimentation, and I think an exciting and positive time for Young. If Young concealed defects through flaming, he probably would
have kept the blonde Para 16 for himself and sold the mottled-flame Para 16.
This is not to say that every Young rod measures up to today's cosmetic standards. For example, Young's varnish work was not the best, and one of the two tips of my Young-built Driggs rod exhibits some glue lines separating a couple of flats. I have no more problem with this than I have with Winslow Homer's fly fishing watercolors, where sometimes you can see Homer's faint pencil marks underlying the watercolor pigment, or you see a little opaque white paint where Homer covered up a slip of the brush. It's still a Homer! It's still a Young! Rather than say that "the dimensions are all over the board on the rods," I prefer the explanations I have given above. When the Martha Marie model starts out specified with a 13/64 ferrule and 4 tiptop, and later is specified with a 14 ferrule and 4-1/2 tiptop, and then later you can get it with two different tip tapers... well yes, it is variable, as are the other Young models. To make a comparison again with painting, it is like Monet's series of paintings of Rouen Cathedral. They are all painted from the same vantage point, but they are all slightly different in color choices and handling of the paint. But no one ever said that one of Monet's Cathedral paintings was bad because it wasn't an exact copy of another example. I would say that Payne is more like a classical painter, with a consistency of execution like Ingres, and Young is more like an Impressionist, with a liveliness of execution like Monet, or better yet he is like Homer, with inelegant underpinnings within the work that somehow are transcended by the final, masterful result. Again, everyone is free to disagree. I really like my Payne rod, but I really love my Youngs. I pick one up, cast it, and it makes me smile. That's its job and it does it well.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of 290 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories,
etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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mer |
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"I pick one up, cast it, and it makes me smile. That's its job and it does it well. "
Thanks Bob. You've put in words the exact "something" that made me choose the rods that I have in my small collection and that I've gotten up at SuperBoo every year, usually because Sante stuck a rod in my hand saying "You have to go cast this". One year it was a Kushner, this year it was a Halstead. Next year, who knows, but the anticipation makes the drive worth it. If you don't mind, I'd like to use it for my sig line.
The north side of my town faced east, and the east was facing south
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quashnet |
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That's fine with me if you use the phrase. Like your present sig line, it pretty well sums things up.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of 290 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories,
etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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mer |
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"7.5 foot leader, 7.5 foot rod, 30 feet of line out of the tiptop, 45 foot cast"
The north side of my town faced east, and the east was facing south
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creakycane |
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It certainly seems that the Young rods do exhibit variabilities and changes over the years. I believe this shows inventiveness and a keen interest in rod
performance and the end product - utility in casting and with a fish on. Youngs, and Summers rods for that matter, are simple and workmanlike - and elegant in
their own subtle ways.
Last Edited By: creakycane 08/16/2007 14:12.
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jaybird |
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I say it's time for "more fishing...less fussing".
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quashnet |
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I can't pretend to know to fully know Monet's intentions as he worked on the cathedral paintings more than a century ago. I do have my own insights as
a full-time illustrator and artist. Since as an artist my work is to communicate science, I stand in both worlds of art and science, and have to keep the left
and right brains talking to each other. I must balance the desire to exhibit creativity and insert liveliness into a painting of a fish with the requirement to
satisfy the client for whom the fish painting is being made, a client who needs me to meet a deadline and who as a biologist requires that there be 68 scales
in the lateral line, or 2 spines and fourteen soft rays in the dorsal fin, etc. You can see a couple of my less scientific, more fishing-related artworks in my
yuku profile.
I suspect that the professional tuggings back and forth that I experience are not all that different from the ones that a professional rodmaker faces: enjoy the process of your craft, but meet the goals of client expectations. Years ago I saw all the Rouen cathedral paintings gathered together at the Boston MFA, where for the first time in over a century they were displayed in one place exactly as Monet had premiered them at their first gallery exhibition. A jaw-dropping experience. You do get the sense that Monet "knew where he was going," but nevertheless inserted unique qualities into each painting, just like a professional pianist wouldn't start idly riffing on a theme in Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 5, but still manages (if he's a great pianist) to create a compelling performance of the work. I had hoped to sneak off this afternoon with a Young rod for a "more fishing, less fussing" session, but was thwarted by responsibilities. Maybe tomorrow!
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of 290 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories,
etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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creakycane |
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Really nice images! I guess it must be quite a challenge to decide as an artist how to represent fine details on a trout, for example. I have no talent in that
area, but really envy those who so obviously do, my compliments.
I saw only a couple of the Monet cathedral paintings when at the Musee d'Orsay in the spring; I believe some were on loan. But of the few that were there, it was intriguing to guess what he was trying to convey to the viewer by the small changes - time of day, weather, mood?. Did fish on Tuesday since it was the most mild day in recent memory - only up to 90 or so. Caught the largest stream-bred brown of the year for me from a stream I frequent (about 15in) - from the Catch/Keep waters that normally harbors stocked rainbows. Not on a Young, but a Bob Taylor rod - and a zug bug. Praying for rain now as things were pretty low. |
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bobbeegee |
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Haven't figured out this new kudos thingy, but if we were still on the old Forum I would certainly be giving this discusssion 4 or 5 stars!
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uniphasian |
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Bob - if you like the thread, go to the top of the page where the title is listed. Just to the left of it is a little heart icon. If you click on that, it
leaves your kudo (or vote) for the topic. The more votes a topic gets evidently says something, just what that is I'm not entirely sure either.
- Uni
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bobbeegee |
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Thank you Uni! I liked the old rating system better. More user friendly and inderstood.
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kimk |
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The question then becomes "can an object which has utilitarian use be an object of art?" Consider an art glass vase. Like an etching it may be one of
an edition, but each one represents vision and creativity at the hands of its maker. The cathedral itself. Just a public building or a work of art in its own
right? Some 18th century timepieces have a creativity and vision that transcends function. There are some engraved shotguns which might be considered. Consider
the rods of our own Gnome. That these rods have a unique aesthetic would be an understatement. Not the same journey of exploration that Monet took, but neither
is the journey taken by Dreyfus an industrial designer that designed thermostats and tractors, and who was the subject of a traveling retrospective in some
major museums a few years back. Where does one draw the line? Is there a line?
I think this really belongs on the VWB page.
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