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spruce grouse |
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Well, it's 7 days and I still don't know if I won a rod or not during the big blackout of last Saturday a.m. Now, I'm not faulting Lang's for
the ebay computer glitch but it is annoying. I couldn't get on to bid on rods I was interested in. I had bid on a couple of rods in case I wasn't
available at the time they came up for bid. One I know now I didn't get, the other I still don't know. Because I didn't know where things stood I
didn't bid on other items I might have because I didn't know if I was already committed to buying two rods. And since I still don't know, if a
dealer came up with something I wanted I might not get it because I'm not sure if I have to commit money to an item I might have won. Now, let me just say
that I know on the grand scheme of things this is small potatoes. But it's still annoying.
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kitsapcharly |
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I'm afraid I may be the smallest potatoes of all since the quadrate rod I was bidding on has the mid 2" short and the cap is missing from the
case. I don't believe my efforts to buy that should annoy the people able to be live bidders very much...though some among them moan at not being able to
keep these auctions all to themselves and their inner circle.
It does seem only right that the sellers get the full amount due them if on-site buyers had outbid the early bids. Most of them are probably widows of old fishermen...at least, that's what you hear. Whether the buyers who walked with the stuff or Land's or ebay. Somebody should do something about them at least. As for Lang's I've heard no more word and seen none here. Maybe they'll just wait for it to all blow over. Stonewall it and hope we have short attention spans. |
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BruceHandley |
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Why in the world would you think that your efforts to buy a rod would annoy people on the auction floor? I've been a "live bidder" and have gone
head to head with off site bidders, I have no idea who they are, nor do I care. It looks like there were some bidding problems and I would expect that Langs
will clear it up. They run a good auction and to say that they might "stonewall the problem" is pure bull s--t. Why don't you take a few deap
breaths and wait for the smoke to clear.
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Housatonic Quill |
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I'm obviously missing something here - where's the beef? As Lang's and several Board members have said, ALL bids, both absentee and live, were
executed correctly, and all final bids were correctly entered into the system. Lang's knows who really really REALLY won the rods and , I'll bet, so do
the winners.
It appears that eBay Live screwed up the bidding history, but not the bids themselves, so if you're wondering whether your absentee bid or your on-line bid won whatever item you were bidding on, I'd suggest that if you haven't yet received an invoice, you shouldn't hold your breath - there's a vanishingly small chance (let's say zero) you won it. And if you really worry about the poor widows and orphans, don't. From the standpoint of someone who saw the on-line and off-site bidding frenzy take place, I'm pretty sure every bid was executed. There were even occasions where the starting price asked was about $1000 but, because of competing absentee bids, the item actually opened at $4,000 plus and, on one occasion, at $6500. I really don't see too much room for complaint - this is far from being the disaster the Bunch auction was. It was smooth, honest and professional. And, believe me, being there in person conferred no extra privilege in bidding - there really was no bidders' elite. That said, if you wanted to really be able to judge condition and value, you either had to be there, or you had to have someone at the showing whom you could trust to relay an accurate description to you. But remember, up to 2 years ago, you wouldn't even have had a chance to bid if you weren't there. And that's better than a blow in the eye with a pointed stick.
The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
Last Edited By: Housatonic Quill 11/09/2007 17:43.
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kitsapcharly |
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Heard again from them and ebay is still sorting things out. I do realize there's virtually no chance I won the rod but do find it strange that they
relied on ebay for anything really. Would you?
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Housatonic Quill |
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(I) find it strange that they relied on ebay for anything really. Would you? I'd have to - if you want (generally) reliable on-line real-time bidding, they're the only game in town.
The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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uintaangler |
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The 20% Langs earns as commissions for the online bids does not go to the folks who consign the tackle - whether they be starving widows or well- heeled
coolectors.
That is additional profit for the auctioneer and they have an obligation to provide better service in return for the fees. I stated in an earlier post - for 20% - every bidder who signs on to participate through Ebay should receive a free catalog several weeks before the auction begins. Ohter online auctioneers [not antique tackle] provide this service for a similar [or less] commission. |
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Housatonic Quill |
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OK, this has finally gotten under my skin. Get real, guys.
Granted, I hate the 20% commission as much as the next guy, but who says it goes to Lang's? For a cash on-site transaction Lang's takes a 13% commission, very much in line with the 10-15% that other auction houses take, with or without a catalog. EBay, despite its widespread reputation as a charitable institution, doesn't give its services away free, but charges listing fees and final value fees and, I would think, live auction fees - all of which can account for the additional 7% or, I've been told, for somewhat more. Lang's could, of course, send catalogs out broadcast to everyone registered, or even perhaps to everyone even thinking of registering ( a lot larger number once the news of a free catalog gets around), but it sure wouldn't be the glossy picture-laden catalog we know and love and save and (Grrrrr!) pay for - it'd be a typewritten throwaway sheet. Besides, why do we need a catalog when the same info and same picture is posted on eBay? As far as this picture that seems to be circulating of a big old nasty predatory auction house sitting out there fattening itself on its bloated commissions is concerned, what a crock! Up to now, Lang's and its staff have survived (and done modestly well for themselves) on two shows, two discovery auctions and two main auctions per year. In talking to the Ganungs at this latest auction, I discovered that the sorting, appraisal and cataloging process for the April auction started a month or so ago, and will continue full time right up to the print date. Over the next months, John and others will be on the road at least a dozen times, traveling as far afield as Florida and Washington state, with numerous stops in-between, looking for lots for next November's auction. By my count, at this last auction, they were paying two auctioneers, and close to 20 registrars, handlers, tech support and security people for a non-stop operation beginning on-site at about 7:00pm Wednesday and ending Saturday at about the same time, or later.This is not a shoestring operation - and it isn't free. Auction houses like Lang's provide a needed service to the tackle community, but it's their well-deserved reputation for honesty and efficiency that permits them to garner the merchandise and the trust needed to perform it. Ill-informed carping doesn't help. By the way, I have NO commercial or other relationship with Lang's or the Ganungs - these are only my observations as a bystander and participant. ![]() ![]()
The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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bamrod77 |
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Well said 'Quill.
One has to attend one of these auctions to really see what is involved and the behind-the-scenes work that goes into producing a world class operation. I would suggest that those who bitch go to other online tackle auctions and see if they are as well done or cost less. I think not. I do not hear too many complaints from those who were there. If you can not attend personally, and if you have issues with online bidding maybe it would be better that you not participate at all and save your venom for more worldly problems. B77
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious."
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spruce grouse |
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Housatonic Quill wrote: I just talked to Debbie Ganung. They still don't know the ebay winners of 30 lots that were sold last Saturday a.m. They're waiting to hear from ebay for confirmation of those ebay winners. One of those people might be me. |
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Housatonic Quill |
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Spruce Grouse wrote: My apologies to you Grouse - and my sympathy. While eBay may have screwed up the IDs of those who won, I'd hope, and my bet is, that the bids themselves
weren't screwed up. If they were ... what do you do when they are the only game around? I don't think do-overs apply in the auction world.
The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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BruceHandley |
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I would think that Quill (Dave) and bamrod77 (Walt) had about covered it and I agree with both of them. Perhaps its time to give this one a rest and see how it
works out.
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spruce grouse |
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I just want to say that Debbie was very apologetic and explained what had happened. She also explained some of the problems they were having because of the
ebay problem (which sound like a real pain in the butt) and that ebay was not being very helpful or taking the problem very seriously (no surprise there). A
little communication goes a long way.
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bamrod77 |
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In thinking about the unfortunate results of some of Lang's auction problems and the heat generated by people on the short end of the stick, the problem is
not originating with Debbie, John and their crew. Imagine visiting a neighbor during a thunder storm, the power goes out and you start giving your host the
gears because of no lights. Is it the host's fault, the end user, or rather is it the provider or some one or thing in between who has failed? As to fees
etc., Quill has spelled out associated expenses above, and as he says, go to any other online auction and check out their associated fees and shipping charges;
a winning bidder at Lang's does well.
As a final shot, have we not seen, in the past, on this board more than one complaint about eBay and its handling of snafus. Amen B77
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious."
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pcg |
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Quill, Bruce, B77: Bravo & well said.
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kitsapcharly |
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The hope is that they will use a cut-off date in the future a couple of days ahead of the auction so they can gather the pre-bids themselves and not have
to rely on ebay for information at the last minute. Ebay's reputation has been shaky all along. I have been buying things off of ebay because they were
available and Lang's wasn't until just lately.
Considering the high praise for Lang's by those familiar with them I feel sure this mess can't have been their fault beyond having relied too much on ebay's people. I'm just so used to having to be leery of every claim from seller's that it makes me gun shy. It may be that ebay will never straighten this out. They probably don't care too much. At times they have seemed like the only game in town because they have something I want so I bid and buy there but carefully. Now another thread says Lang's will have their own site. Sounds better than relying on ebay. |
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jeffkn1 |
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There has been steady progress right from the first year John and Debbie took over the operation of Lang's Auctions, and I'm speaking as someone who
badmouthed the Ganung's operation in the beginning. I was not that impressed with the first auction they held, but I think I was asking a bit much in light
of the situation. They have steadily improved and the latest complaints seem centered around the failure of people to get something they had high hopes of
getting. I suggest your wrath might be better directed at Ebay Live (not ebay, a whole different operation), rather
than at Lang's. John and Debbie have continued to upgrade virtually everything they can, even having the Holiday Inn provide coffee for attendees, not a
trifle in these days. The monitor system added to the auction room last year had a tag of nearly $40K. Improvements of this nature put no money in their
pockets but obviously do benefit those of us who attend and I have no doubt that if it were in their power to upgrade Ebay Live service it would have been done
long ago. Given the rate at which technology advances it shouldn't be that long before Ebay Live makes necessary improvements. Until then, it's just
left foot, right foot.
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rockymountainbrown |
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As for not allowing internet/ebay bidders---Not everyone lives on the east coast and has easy access to live bidding.
RMB I'm Fishin'
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HERMES2069 |
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I have been attending Lang's Auctions for some time now. This year I came away with some great bargains. The everything was fine with me. Auctions are
not predictable. This Auction had all the item we all talk about. What is there to complain about.
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BruceHandley |
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Phil, how come you didn't stop by and pick-up a bord members nane tag? Were you one of the people at the TU table?
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