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My Recent Posts · 11/08/2007

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Well, we expected as much, of course, but this was a pretty fair trial between the two lines. See Silk casts Farther than SYLK

My Recent Posts · 11/08/2007

It would have been more interesting to see a conventional plastic line in the fray.

Real Silk beating out plastic Sylk is one thing. Real Silk going head to head against a conventional plastic line such as the Orvis wonderline (or a new line like the 3M sharkskin) would probably be a tougher test for real silk.

My Recent Posts · 11/08/2007

Kai,

Would the plastic line makers admit that there exists "a conventional plastic line"? I think not

My Recent Posts · 11/08/2007

So what?

Is anyone buying a silk line because it casts farther?

Yes, silk lines are denser. That's why they fly through the air better than bulkier plastics. It's also why they don't float as well.

Next item.

My Recent Posts · 11/08/2007

Yep, cast a silk against an intermediate and you'll get closer performance.

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Try impregnating your silk line with red mucilin you will be blown away.Don

My Recent Posts · 11/09/2007

I was there, an interesting exercise in casting - The whole of both contests.
Watching some fantastic casters take for the most part some experimantal rods and cast the distances they achieved awe-inspiring.
Cortland has touted the Sylk line as a "Softer, made for bamboo" fly line. More supple like real silk. The silk challenge came as an after thought by Olaf Borage who for as many years as I have attended the CRG has brought reeled up silk lines for anyone to try on their or any available bamboo rod.

A properly cared for silk line will last a life time, it will also float as well as any plastic line.

My Recent Posts · 11/09/2007

I agree with Kai. I think it would be a different story if a silk line went up against a premium plastic line made for distance casting. The new Airflow lines come to mind. Don't bash me yet!! I have a Phoenix and love it! Wouldn't trade it for the world. There's no denying the fact, though, that these new plastic lines cast pretty darn well, roll out well, mend well, cut through wind ...uh, fairly ok (still need work in that area) and require a helluva lot less maintenance.

HOWEVER, at the prices they are asking for these new lines, I'm not running out any time soon to buy one. If I want to see how they cast, I ask my friends if I can try their's out. If I like how the line cast's I ask how muchee? When they hesi-hesi-hesitate and tell me almost $70 bucks, I do the Stimey head nod with a do-whut at the end and proceed to reel in anotherfish on my 6 year old Phoenix

Besides, how many fish do we really actually cast to outside of 40 feet in fresh water and think we can "actually" get the fly to ride well enough to hook the fish?

My Recent Posts · 11/12/2007

I must be doing something wrong, because I find that I do not shoot line well with my true silk lines. They seem to stick in the guides. I am wondering if I am applying too much Mucillin. Can one put too much on? Do you need to polish the line after putting the Mucilin on? Is it not good to put the Mucillin on days in advance of fishing? I love these lines but wish I could figure out how to get them to perform better for me.

Trouting

My Recent Posts · 11/12/2007

Trouting
Only lightest coat of mucilin is necessary, apply mucilin with the pad provided and then wipe with a soft cloth to remove excess.

My Recent Posts · 11/12/2007

Go light on the Mucilin, if you think there isn't enough It's still too much.
No problem with applying ahead of time, I'll dry my lines and apply and then put them on the reel ready to go fishing.

My Recent Posts · 11/15/2007

I had to comment since I was in the casting finals and cast both lines with Tim's Rod. The silk line definitely blew past the best efforts people could do with the SYLK. This was with a standard Phoenix WF-5 that really wasn't fully broken in. Olaf provided a new line that really wasn't cast as much as it should have been to give maximum performance.

Now the comment was made to use a high performance plastic line vice SYLK. I definitely know the results would still be the same. Now, also let me also put on a performance Silk line and go head to head with a plastic line. I just happen to have almost a full set of Hedge Taper Silk Lines. Now we are talking serious distance. Marvin Hedge set the world record with a bamboo rod and his real silk lines in 1934 by casting 147'. We know what the result will be - Silk wins again!

The real issue with distance casting that gets lost in the argument is the small diameter of a real silk line vice any plastic line. The line weights are the same for the first 30' but you have a smaller line diameter to cut through the air better. Less air resistance makes for greater distance.

I know my friend Reed is grinning since he started the post.

Chris

My Recent Posts · 11/15/2007

Concerning the longevity of silk fly lines they might outlast plastic, but lifetime, I think not, maybe if you fish a couple of times a year. Like any other lines- into the trees, on to the rocks, in the sand and mud and you get plenty of wear. Maybe twice as long as plastic under actual usage. I have plastic lines over 10 years old that are still like new, granted I don't use some of them a lot but I do treat them a couple of times a year. Heck I got some old, probably 20+ year AirCell supremes from store racks that are pretty pristine.

As far as distance, I can shoot almost any line past the point of line control so it is rather a moot point unless fishing on lakes I would imagine.

I like my silks but I mostly use plastic.

If anyone thinks buying a Silk will magically improve their distance they are most likely in for a dissapointment. Casting practice, even on the lawn will do a lot more.

It is nice to see old technology wip ass on the new though.

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Posts: 8 11/08/2007 12:57	Tags : None Well, we expected as much, of course, but this was a pretty fair trial between the two lines. See Silk casts Farther than SYLK Warmest regards, Reed www.overmywaders.com The Contemplative Angler (Blog)
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Posts: 76 11/08/2007 14:50	It would have been more interesting to see a conventional plastic line in the fray. Real Silk beating out plastic Sylk is one thing. Real Silk going head to head against a conventional plastic line such as the Orvis wonderline (or a new line like the 3M sharkskin) would probably be a tougher test for real silk.
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Posts: 9 11/08/2007 20:01	Kai, Would the plastic line makers admit that there exists "a conventional plastic line"? I think not Warmest regards, Reed www.overmywaders.com The Contemplative Angler (Blog)
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Posts: 429 11/08/2007 20:10	So what? Is anyone buying a silk line because it casts farther? Yes, silk lines are denser. That's why they fly through the air better than bulkier plastics. It's also why they don't float as well. Next item.
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Posts: 1240 11/08/2007 23:02	Yep, cast a silk against an intermediate and you'll get closer performance.
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Posts: 59 11/08/2007 23:20	Try impregnating your silk line with red mucilin you will be blown away.Don
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Posts: 2913 11/09/2007 09:28 Moderator	I was there, an interesting exercise in casting - The whole of both contests. Watching some fantastic casters take for the most part some experimantal rods and cast the distances they achieved awe-inspiring. Cortland has touted the Sylk line as a "Softer, made for bamboo" fly line. More supple like real silk. The silk challenge came as an after thought by Olaf Borage who for as many years as I have attended the CRG has brought reeled up silk lines for anyone to try on their or any available bamboo rod. A properly cared for silk line will last a life time, it will also float as well as any plastic line. Pete
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Posts: 1212 11/09/2007 11:29	I agree with Kai. I think it would be a different story if a silk line went up against a premium plastic line made for distance casting. The new Airflow lines come to mind. Don't bash me yet!! I have a Phoenix and love it! Wouldn't trade it for the world. There's no denying the fact, though, that these new plastic lines cast pretty darn well, roll out well, mend well, cut through wind ...uh, fairly ok (still need work in that area) and require a helluva lot less maintenance. HOWEVER, at the prices they are asking for these new lines, I'm not running out any time soon to buy one. If I want to see how they cast, I ask my friends if I can try their's out. If I like how the line cast's I ask how muchee? When they hesi-hesi-hesitate and tell me almost $70 bucks, I do the Stimey head nod with a do-whut at the end and proceed to reel in anotherfish on my 6 year old Phoenix Besides, how many fish do we really actually cast to outside of 40 feet in fresh water and think we can "actually" get the fly to ride well enough to hook the fish? DrLogik.com Last Edited By: DrLogik 11/09/2007 11:42. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 259 11/12/2007 15:54	I must be doing something wrong, because I find that I do not shoot line well with my true silk lines. They seem to stick in the guides. I am wondering if I am applying too much Mucillin. Can one put too much on? Do you need to polish the line after putting the Mucilin on? Is it not good to put the Mucillin on days in advance of fishing? I love these lines but wish I could figure out how to get them to perform better for me. Trouting Last Edited By: trouting 11/12/2007 16:58. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 241 11/12/2007 18:02	Trouting Only lightest coat of mucilin is necessary, apply mucilin with the pad provided and then wipe with a soft cloth to remove excess.
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Posts: 2919 11/12/2007 21:03 Moderator	Go light on the Mucilin, if you think there isn't enough It's still too much. No problem with applying ahead of time, I'll dry my lines and apply and then put them on the reel ready to go fishing. Pete
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Posts: 40 11/15/2007 19:34	I had to comment since I was in the casting finals and cast both lines with Tim's Rod. The silk line definitely blew past the best efforts people could do with the SYLK. This was with a standard Phoenix WF-5 that really wasn't fully broken in. Olaf provided a new line that really wasn't cast as much as it should have been to give maximum performance. Now the comment was made to use a high performance plastic line vice SYLK. I definitely know the results would still be the same. Now, also let me also put on a performance Silk line and go head to head with a plastic line. I just happen to have almost a full set of Hedge Taper Silk Lines. Now we are talking serious distance. Marvin Hedge set the world record with a bamboo rod and his real silk lines in 1934 by casting 147'. We know what the result will be - Silk wins again! The real issue with distance casting that gets lost in the argument is the small diameter of a real silk line vice any plastic line. The line weights are the same for the first 30' but you have a smaller line diameter to cut through the air better. Less air resistance makes for greater distance. I know my friend Reed is grinning since he started the post. Chris
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Posts: 453 11/15/2007 20:07	Concerning the longevity of silk fly lines they might outlast plastic, but lifetime, I think not, maybe if you fish a couple of times a year. Like any other lines- into the trees, on to the rocks, in the sand and mud and you get plenty of wear. Maybe twice as long as plastic under actual usage. I have plastic lines over 10 years old that are still like new, granted I don't use some of them a lot but I do treat them a couple of times a year. Heck I got some old, probably 20+ year AirCell supremes from store racks that are pretty pristine. As far as distance, I can shoot almost any line past the point of line control so it is rather a moot point unless fishing on lakes I would imagine. I like my silks but I mostly use plastic. If anyone thinks buying a Silk will magically improve their distance they are most likely in for a dissapointment. Casting practice, even on the lawn will do a lot more. It is nice to see old technology wip ass on the new though.
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