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reelhimin	I keep hoping.		Lead	[-]
Posts: 346 01/30/2008 19:54	Tags : None I keep hoping I can find a cabin to buy that is next to a nice trout stream in the west that doesn't cost an arm and leg. It doesn't have to be fancy and the stream doesn't have to be world class; just a nice stream that has some reasonable sized trout who will rise to my 18 Adams. Surely there must be a hidden gem out there. C'mon Board members, let's find one.
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canesterdf	I am with you on that one Gary......	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 165 01/31/2008 00:50	I have often thought there was and are some smaller places that don't make it to the real estate listings. There has to be regular old cabins out there that get sold from time to time. I have seen the places, just not with for sale signs on them.... I just had an idea. we cruise likely areas on weekends. I could put on my door to door salesman's outfit and sell cans of peanut crunch. then just ask if the cabin would be for sale..... It is that simple. Best, Paul
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Al Nixon		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 01/31/2008 01:05	Sorry boys. You are too late. Every single drainage in western Montana with private inholdings has been pillaged to a farethewell by throngs of people with the same idea. You ought to peruse the MT Cadastral in NRIS to see who the owners of the land are. It's an eye-opener when you see how many holdings have owner addresses from states quite far from Montana.
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gmflyfish	Greetings From Montana	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 952 01/31/2008 09:33	Hold your horses - I think the current downturn may work for all of us. I bought in about 20 years ago. My property with me making some changes is worth 5 times what I paid for it. So with the down turn there may be home and a leveling of the playing field. Yes there are a lot of people from out of state moving or owning a piece of Montana. But we also need to look at Cabela's and there land grabs all over the west. They have been buying property and closing off access to public lands. Gregg
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gt05254		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 75 01/31/2008 10:05	Cabela's has also been partnering with a "land company" on the Tug Hill Plateau in northern NY. Most (if not all) of my favorite grouse coverts up there have now been chewed up into little 5 acre "cabin and hunting" parcels. What cracks me up is why anyone would want to buy a little 5 acre deal up there. I love it there, lived there 10 years doing grouse research and working for NWTF. Three to four hundred inches of snow per year, black flies that will carry you away, and a dinky little deer herd. And the prices they are asking can at best be called silly. Pity, really - I had 40 flush days so often....and its not bird hunters buying those little get away places. The one industry that has prospered well with the advent of the little and big land companies is the one that makes posted signs.
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mmorris236		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 108 01/31/2008 10:28	It is truly sad to see the MIne and Only Mine mentality taking over our rural landscape. This has been a disgusting disease in the Poconos and Catskills for years (note the one thing they share, 2 hours from NYC). It is a natural and unpoleasant offshoot of a thriving economy. Frankly, too many people have too much spare cash and too little passion. The Poconos is a prime example. People own second homes there that they visit a couple times a year that are larger and more well appointed than their real homes. But the real killer is the mental;ity that exclusive is better. All of the states are reporting huge drops in their Hunting and Fishing license revenue. The number of anglers is dropping and yet it is getting harder and harder to find good fishing that yuou don't have to pay a couple hundred bucks a day for. What steams me, l;andowner property rights aside is that it has been MY taxpayer and especially My license fees, and untold volunteer hours with gorups like Trout unlimited, BASS and Ducks Unlimited that has ressurected these watersheds from the deplorable conditions they were in just 25 years ago. To have some group then come in after all the hard work and expense is completed and tell me "thanks for nothing now get out" makes me madder than a hornet. If the trend continues, Trout fishing will be an aristocratic passtime of the wealthy alone and all of these so called well heeled Trout Fishing conservationists will complain bitterly about the "loss of Habitat" due to revenue shortfalls from license sales and try to tell me the only way that the trout fishing can be saved is if they keep it all to themselves. And lest you think I am preaching out of school, My family has owned an old farm in central PA with a very nice little trout steam running through it and excellant Grouse, Turkey, Deer and Bear hunting, since 1929 and it has Never been posted.
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gt05254		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 76 01/31/2008 16:17	I've never owned more than 50 acres (three different times - twice on the same road - what's wrong with that picture?) - mine were never posted either. Like mmorris236, all had excellent grouse, woodcock, turkey and duck shooting. The "new" folks must all own stock in posted sign-making industry. Oh well, its not against the law. Its just that I, like so many old country farts, wish people would leave their urbanity behind them when they come to the country.
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greendrake ll		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 549 01/31/2008 17:22	gt05254 and mmorris, I agree and feel the same way you do BUT remember that long before the well heeled folks started buying up recreational property posting was becoming a problem (along with shrinking habitat caused by population growth along with people who wanted to live in rural areas to get away from crime ridden innercities) .We only have to look among our own ranks to see where the problem started and grew.It was caused by the small percentage of Bubbas who were slob hunters and fisherman who littered, broke fences,disregarded game and fish laws and had norespect for landowners or their fellow sportsmen.Case in point would be one of the more popular trout streams(Beaver Creek) in Maryland one particular farmer who had property with a long stretch of primo water running thru it put trash cans out in areas along the stream because he was tired of cleaning up after the horde of early season a*holes who left their empty velveeta boxes,hook packs,power bait jars etc. laying on the ground streamside.He put up signs at popular entry points to his property that if fisherman didn't start policing themselves the property would be closed.2 years later it was. Also mmorris I thank you and your family for keeping your property open (even though I've never been there) but having hunted and fished in Pennsylvania for way more years than I care to admit,the reason most private property in Pa. remains open,maybe this includes why yours is still open,is that there does not exist a harder working state game and fish commission anywhere in this country that does it's utmost to maintain a working coop with landowners.While there are those with the "Mine and Mine alone" attitude there still remains those whose property is posted but will* allow access to their property by a clean cut polite sportsman who just takes the time to ask and assures them that you will respect their land and livestock.The problem isn't all due to the outsiders and it didn't start with them.Cheers
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gt05254		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 77 01/31/2008 19:03	Deer hunters did it!! In west Tennessee and Kentucky, where I did my Master's research on whitetail crop damage and farmer's attitudes towards deer (ok, this was 25 years ago so the number might be off a little), 90 percent of the farmers that posted their land did so because of deer hunters. When I moved to the Tug Hill in '85 to do my doctoral research on ruffed grouse, there was very little posted land, and I have no hard data, but again, I suspect that what was posted (not much) then was due to deer hunters. And in this case, definately the locals. Boy, what a bunch. Have you ever noticed how the posted signs seem to "bloom" just before deer season? Then along comes the the success of pacific salmonid stocking in Lake Ontario - the dregs of the universe showed (still do) for that show. What a circus. And not locals. Seems like once guys left NJ or CT or PA or NYC or wherever, they left their manners behind (gross understatement). Its not a whole lot better now, but some fine souls do get out on that river, glad to say. I used to sit on the banks, eating my lunch, watching the snaggers (they are still there today, now its "lifting" - still illegal) get into fist fights over almost dead cohos. Oh well. Anyway, lol, deer hunters did it.
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Posts: 4990 01/31/2008 22:35 Bulldog1935	doesn't matter what we do, Ted Turner plans to buy us out "If animals could speak, the dog would be a blundering outspoken fellow; but the cat would have the rare grace of never saying a word too much."
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gofish60		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1555 02/01/2008 01:09 Registered User	Much true said here. Clark Davis and I used to fish for Salmon and Steelhead on a river north of Kenosha, WI. The best spot was where it ran through a country club. We constantly took out garbage bags of crap people posing as fishermen had left, and the slobs wondered why they got hasseled by the club management if they set foot out of the stream. There were so called fishermen swearing at and taunting the golfers, relieving themselves in open view, dumping garbage, dragging shopping carts full of illegally snagged salmon across the greens (this one got a call from me to the DNR poacher line from my cell phone, and the warden caught the bastard with 22 salmon in his trunk-it cost the SOB about $2500), etc., etc., etc. It costs $10,000/year to belong to this club, and they got sick of us and made it really hard to fish there, even though we were "legal" if we kept our feet wet. Behavior like this is what gets us all barred, because everyone in waders looked the same to the people being subjected to this rude and illegal behavior. Finally, the club took out a dam that kept the salmon in their portion of the stream, and now the fish go far upstream and very few stop on the club grounds. I've seen this behavior on trout streams, too, to a lesser extent, but it's there, and we all suffer because of it. There is now a movement in Wisconsin to change the law to make the stream the property of whoever owns both sides, with rights of access to that stream determined by the owner. The main reason for this push to privatize the streams is because of slob behavior and disregard for the rights of the owners. So, if Ted Turner, as Bulldog suggests, or anyone else for that matter, bars us from fishing on their private property, maybe we collectively are to blame, because as I stated earlier, we all look alike. gofish
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bulldog1935		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5009 02/01/2008 19:37 Bulldog1935	The litter bag will get you a lot of good grace with landowners. In TX, you're legal wading a navigible river, but the banks belong to the landowners. More than once I've trespassed to get to that next gravel bar. More than once I've met a landowner doing it. Explaining what I'm doing and showing them the litter I picked up on their bank is usually all I need. In 35 years, one landowner has asked me to leave. Every other one has thanked me and told me to come back at my discretion. "If animals could speak, the dog would be a blundering outspoken fellow; but the cat would have the rare grace of never saying a word too much."
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aquabonito		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 778 02/02/2008 16:27 Angry Andy	http://www.era.com/gblisting/2355782.html?utm_id=10 Having stayed here a couple of times, I can attest to its simplicity and comfort. Its on a fairway if you like to golf, and its near great skiing. Best of all, walk out the back door, across the fairway, and there's a great little trout stream with native rainbows up to 15 inches. They love all sorts of dry flies. Next best of all is that its hardly ever fished except for one old lady . She occasionally bait fishes with a fly rod, catches and keeps one pan sized fish and quits. The Gallatin is just down the road mile or so; Yellowstone Park fifty miles to the South and Bozeman fifty miles to the North. The name of the little stream is the Middle fork of the of the West Fork of the Gallatin River. The South Fork of the West Fork is even better. A bit hard to access but possible for the full time residents who learn where to park and walk in. Its in the Big Sky Resort, but away from the super rich, well off the main road. Just walking distance to a small business community for anything you might need. The Silver Bow is the best run condo in Big Sky and although over 20 years old looks better than ever. You can rent it to skiers in the winter...recoup all of your condo expenses. BUT.... If you are looking for something very simple and inexpensive, look around Grayling MI. Lots of cabins like this many right on a trout stream or lake. This particular cabin is near the Au Sable River. http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?pg=1&cmid=1003262&typ=7&sid=bc246e4279d14775b241ee99a24cf588&lid=1086869303&lsn=8&srcnt=135#Detail "You can't make new old friends" Andy Last Edited By: aquabonito 02/03/2008 18:11. Edited 3 times.
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