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 new2boo |
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Posts: 249 02/06/2008 21:01 |
I've seen a couple of these for sale recently (8.5' 2/2 and a 9' 3/2) and thought they were nice looking and reasonably priced. Anyone out there
own one of these and if so could you share info on action, weight, balance in hand, etc. Thanks!
Curious in Colorado, Mark |
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Posts: 2129 02/08/2008 08:02 Immoderatus Britannicus |
Good value rods, generally under priced and under rated in the USA imho, very well made, plenty of performance but not the most subtle of tapers ... try to
find a 'Hollokona' type at just over 4oz for an 8'6" rather than regular (solid built) 'Palakona' in this length. I also fished with a
10' Phantom Hollokona for a few years but I have an arthritic shoulder and just could not handle it anymore so sold it on.
BTW I have the original Hardy factory 'pattern rod' for this specific model (8'6" Phantom Hollokona) but do not fish with it (it came to me unfished bnwt from Hardy so I decided to keep it that way) - let me know if you want a picture posting.
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czkid |
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Posts: 3176 02/08/2008 10:26 Moderator |
Ken; Just what were the differences between the model named rods at Hardy? You see for instance, several different names on 8'6" rods, were they
all the same taper ala Granger with different quality levels or different tapers for different jobs?
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Ken M 44 |
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Posts: 2132 02/08/2008 10:46 Immoderatus Britannicus |
Ralph,
I know little about Hardy rods but the names signify very different tapers, ferrules and finishes and changed over the years except for really popular models which were updated but kept their names - like the CC de France, Marvel, etc. I think the current model is the 'Gladstone' but there is a list of the names with dates here ; Hardy Rod Names |
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new2boo |
Hardy rod pictures | #4 | ||
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Posts: 253 02/09/2008 19:19 |
Ken,
It would be great to see the pristine Hardy rod you mentioned. Were you going to post the pix here for all to see? If you don't want to go thru all the gyrations to post here feel free to email them to me at: MEDPAD<at>YAHOO<dot>COM. I saw a 8.5' Hollokona sell for around $400. 3/2 rod with nice looking black wraps tipped with a deep red and thought it was a sharp looking rig and a nice price. Are the Hollokona's hollow built in the butt section? (Referring to your comment about a Hollokona only being 4oz. and the 'Palakona' being 'solid built') Thanks, Mark |
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Posts: 2149 02/10/2008 18:32 Immoderatus Britannicus |
Mark,
Yes, of course, I will take and post some pictures later in the week when I get back home. I also have a copy of the Hardy factory booklet which lists the 'Pattern Rod' stock that they held for reference - if I remember correctly there were about 250 rods in the 'collection' - it was collated in 1969 and maintained from then on until the mid 1980's and included pretty well every rod made - usually just one reference rod but sometimes more, for the Phantom that I own there were two 8'6" examples listed but I am not sure if they were duplicates or if there were cosmetic differences. I really am not sure of the technical aspects of the Hardy rods and my text is a little misleading in that it could be taken to mean that the Phantoms were available as both solid and hollow built and I do not think that this is the case, if I remember correctly the Phantoms were all Hollokona's and the DeLuxe would be all Palakona's but I am sure there are many out there with much more knowledge than I have on these rods. I have owned a few different models to experience them but as my tastes change I have kept only the ones that are special for some reason and now have just this Phantom and an custom built Marvel. |
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Ken M 44 |
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Posts: 2189 02/18/2008 08:06 Immoderatus Britannicus |
Here are the promised pictures of my Hardy Phantom 'Pattern' Rod - 8'6" Hollokona 4oz 8drms 6wt. - unfished and plastic still on the grip. It
could be for sale (for a tempting, to me, amount of money) to a collector only, there are plenty of these around to fish with.
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new2boo |
NICE! | #7 | ||
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Posts: 267 02/22/2008 14:18 |
Nice pix Ken! Thanks for sharing/taking time to post. I will have to try out one of these rods one day soon...
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Posts: 93 02/22/2008 23:03 |
Ken M 44 wrote: While I am surely not one with much more knowledge on this subject, I do know that I have a 6' 10" #5 'The Phantom' labeled Palakona. It has always been my impression that The Phantom came in both the hollow Hollokona and the solid Palakona. However, in a conversation this afternoon with Hardy BC (British Columbia), they indicated that 'Hollowkona' specified a taper as opposed to hollow or solid. I would certainly like to get to the bottom of this mystery. TC |
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Posts: 2202 02/23/2008 04:23 Immoderatus Britannicus |
I am really not sure about this - in the Hardy Pattern rod book there is only one model specifically listed as 'Hollow Built' which is an 8'9"
LRH Dry Fly but for most rods the details are very sparse and do not include weights or much other than length and model name, etc.
For the Phantom's there is one 6'10", two 8', two 8'6", two 9' and one 10' and for a while I assumed that where two rods of the same model were listed they were available in both Palakona and Hollokona but I have not seen enough rods to know, I think it unlikely that there would be the same model with different tapers but Hardy have done many illogical things .... and Hollokona may not mean a hollow rod. Perhaps if someone has an 8'6" Phantom they would weigh it - my Hollokona rod is 4oz 8drms - and we can see if they are the same or heavier, I will ask around here in the next couple of weeks and see what I can find out. |
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Posts: 1467 02/23/2008 14:10 |
An interesting discussion. I am certainly no Hardy expert but the different names ala Hollokona, Palakona, etc. have always fascinated me.
They are certainly attractive rods. I gleaned some information from Ernest Schwiebert's "Trout Tackle-Two" and the following is what he states in regards the Phantom. It was in the larger Phantoms, rods between eight and nine and a half feet, that Hardy introduced the Hollolight and Hollokona construction. Hardy had constructed hollow built rods similar to the construction of E.C. Powell and Lew Stoner as early as 1935. But Hardy introduced a remarkably "different" hollow rod using modern high-stress adhesives twenty five years later-and James Hardy quickly used the new Hollolight and Hollokona designs to break the European distance records in 1959. As no details are given about this more modern hollowbuilt rod, other than the modern adhesives, I can't add any more to the construction aspects. It would seem that the Hollolight and Hollokona were indeed all hollowbuilt though? Maybe not? Would be interested to read more in this respect. Bob |
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Posts: 415 02/28/2008 04:39 |
i have owned 2 different Hardy bamboo rods and both of them were quite enjoyable. My first was an 8' phantom (im pretty sure) for a 5 wt and i caught my
first colorado trout on it, on the poudre, when i moved out here in 95. It had a solid, pleasant medium action. The second Hardy was a 6'8" 2/1 i
forget what model. Nonetheless, it was a sweet, powerful medium action rod, that had a very agreable taper. I really enjoyed these 2 rods, and think Hardy
makes a fine product...even cane rods. Peace,Chris
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Posts: 1 04/13/2008 18:22 |
Have a Hardy Phantom that I just purchased #6, Hollokona. On the reel band there is a number H60043, is this the serial number? Can someone tell me something
about this fly rod.
Thanks, John |
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Posts: 2366 04/14/2008 11:53 Immoderatus Britannicus |
Yes it is the serial number - it means that your rod was built in 1964.
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steeldog94 |
IMO it is the nicest rod I’ve ever cast. | #14 | ||
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Posts: 48 05/26/2008 19:12 |
I've been going through my bamboo fly rod collection this weekend spending a ½ hour with each rod lawn casting (Orvis', Leonards, Thomas', Grangers, Powells, Phillipsons, Edwards, etc.). The rod that most pleasantly surprised me is my 6'10" 5wt Hardy Phantom Hollokona built in 1961. It has a very nice crisp action that is easy to cast and allows excellent loop control for pin-point accuracy. The Hardy Phantom was designed by Jim Hardy, and during the 1960's the Phantom was the rod to own. IMO it is the nicest rod I've ever cast.
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nygaardsvold |
Palakona vs. Hollokona | #15 | ||
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Posts: 12 05/27/2008 17:10 |
I think I am a bit late now answering Ken's question regarding the weight of Hardy Phantoms. But, nevertheless, I have just weighed my 8'6'' Hardy Phantom Palakona and it is just 5 oz. - quite a bit heavier than Ken's Hollokona version. I have the 8' and 9' Phantom models as well. Some 30 years ago, I also had a 8' Phantom Hollokona. I lost that rod when a big trout snatched my muddler when I was trying to move (rowing) from one side of a lake to the other. I have sadly missed the rod, the LRH Lightweight Reel and the Cortland 444 since that "memorable" day. I liked the Hollokona 8' a lot, tried to replace it, but ca. five years later, I ended up with a 8' Palakona. According to this, it is not easy for me to compare the two 8' Phantoms... Johan Nygaardsvold |
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Posts: 87 05/28/2008 02:29 |
According to my 1962 Hardy Anglers Guide and Catalogue:
length 6'10" / #4 / weight 3 oz. length 8' / #5 / weight 3 3/4 oz. length 9' / #6 / weight 4 3/4 oz. (all approximate) Wilfred de Bruijn
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Happyjack |
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Posts: 1 06/25/2008 19:13 |
I have a Hardy fly rod that I am curious about. It is - The "C.C. deFrance" "Palakona" fly rod, 8'-1/2" fully assembled, the
number 6 on the butt and tip ferrules, 2 pc with original green Hardys labeled sock, H29804 on the silver reelseat. Do not know the weight of the rod. I
believe it is in the original aluminum tube but cannot be sure. I would like to know if there is a registry or other that I might be able to further identify
this rod. I am also curious to its worth. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Posts: 258 06/26/2008 01:24 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
Happyjack, welcome
Your C C De France is from 1960. If you want a scan of the relevant catalogue page mail me Brian
"My ambition is to have no ambition" George Harrison
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Hillrod |
Hardy Phantom Hollokona 6 Wt | #19 | ||
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Posts: 7 06/26/2008 05:57 |
Mark
I had an 8.5ft one of these for a while. For what its worth a powerful quite heavy rod that seemed to go best with a WF6. I never weighed it. As Ken said not the most subtle of tapers but a straight forward slightly clunky action despite the supposed hollow construction. Ultimatetely I found it uninspiring and not really suitable for fishing smaller flies and therfore not such a good allrounder. Obviously only my opinion and they probably vary anyhow. Mine was quite a late one fron the 1980s but I dont think it had a serail number. Like many UK rods it only had one tip. Phil |
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Posts: 497 06/27/2008 18:16 |
Just 2 cents - I believe that the 8.5 Phantom was the rod of choice for Leonard Wright of Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect.
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