agreed, i would just like to know where it was made. i would never have bought it if it was made in korea. just the principle for me!
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orange caddis wrote: Given that Hardy just assembles the parts, does it matter whether it farms out the manufacture of the parts to some factory in the UK or some factory in
Korea?
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I don't believe that the parts can be machined with the same precision in Korea as it can be in the Hardy plant. Whether that is true or not i don't
know. Just my belief.
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Posts: 56 02/25/2008 11:17 |
But there is no Hardy plant. There is a contractor called GT Precision, presumably this company in Coleraine, which is in neither England nor Korea:
http://www.gtprecision-ni.com/.
Why would one think that Northern Irish CNC machining is more precise than Southern Korean CNC machining?
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Posts: 110 02/25/2008 11:29 |
hardy owns that plant! and from what i understand it is a state of the art plant. that is why......
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Posts: 82 02/25/2008 11:30 |
orange caddis wrote:
enigma309 wrote:
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Posts: 74 02/25/2008 11:32 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
A few years ago a friend worked as a design engineer for a major jet turbine manufacturer here in UK.
A far eastern engineering co. wanted to manufacture under license. During discussions they touched on 'tolerances' (the british drawings had markings of plus or minus a few thou..) The licensee said that they would ignore this as their product would be built to exact measurements. The first prototype seized! I have no problems with the engineering, but I do with the cynicism
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Posts: 57 02/25/2008 11:46 |
Orange Caddis, are you sure that Hardy owns GT Precision? If so, they don't seem to be in any hurry to advertise it. In any event, I don't see any
meaningful connection between Hardy the fishing company and a CNC machining operation that boasts about making parts for all kinds of industries, but
doesn't even mention Hardy as one of its customers, let along fishing reels as one of its products. Nor do I see why their CNC machining would be any
better than Korean CNC machining.
Anyway, this is getting funny. Have a look at this exchange: http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=27785. One of the posts quotes a Hardy employee to the effect that "Made in England" was dropped in order to return the reels to a "more traditional look". Sounds like they just make it up as they go along 
I'd still like to know how long Hardy has contracted the manufacture of components to a company in Northern Ireland. As far as I know, it is not cool to declare that Northern Ireland is part of England. So if this has been going on for a long time, I guess that under English law all one has to do to use the term "Made in England" is assemble parts made elsewhere
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Posts: 111 02/25/2008 11:57 |
i agree they do seem to make it up as they go! seems like we have a x-file turned into an x-reel. somewhere we know the truth is out there....
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Posts: 5200 02/25/2008 17:54 Bulldog1935 |
Another confirmation to Doc's quotes - I was also forwarded some photos I can get up later. I was told the initial Korean mkVIs were issued in Made in
England boxes, which raised a stir until the boxes were updated with the designed in Alnwick boxes
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Posts: 77 02/25/2008 18:10 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
I have asked Hardys Sales Director to clarify the contradictory statements made by his staff.
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Posts: 116 02/25/2008 18:34 |
i will check my box when i get home
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my box does not say designed in alnwick or made in england.
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Posts: 61 02/26/2008 03:43 |
Hardy knows full well how to do a press release. Indeed, it has a bunch of them on its web site. If it hasn't done one on this issue, the failure is
obviously deliberate. While I don't particularly care about the question, there are clearly many people who do, and the failure/refusal to make a clear
public statement is, to put it mildly, unimpressive.
On the upside, on Friday Leica summarily fired its new CEO without any explanation. No communications plan, no nothing - just, he's fired, not resigned, fired - summarily. So of course, the specualtion on the internet is now rampant. Makes Hardy's failure to cough up the straight goods on its reels look like kids's play
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Posts: 81 02/26/2008 08:05 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
Hardys reply to my question (see above)
Draw your own conclusions. Hello Sir. Yes there has been some confusion here. The Bougle MKV was completely made in our factory in Alnwick, all components were made and fixed together here. The current Bougle is only assembled here, and the parts made elsewhere. We do this to ensure a very high standard of product control.
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Posts: 85 02/26/2008 09:02 |
orange caddis wrote: Are you sure?
I can't access NI company files, but I would have thought it was owned by GT Group Ltd of Peterlee, Co. Durham www.gtgroup.co.uk, which is owned by a Mr G. Turnbull (GT), not Harris & Sheldon plc www.harris-sheldon.co.uk, who own Hardy. I'm sure I've heard Hardy people talk about using a facility in Peterlee. Presumably the Coleraine operation is to mop up development grants available in NI. 
Regards, Doc
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Like I said obfuscation at it's best! You should email back and ask where is somewhere else? Clearly they are having a hard time speaking to the truth.
It's one thing to make a decision it's another to take responsibility for it!
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Posts: 83 02/26/2008 12:23 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
I think I will leave the topic as it is and concentrate on collecting and using ONLY 20th century Hardy kit.(or the occasional 19th C if I get lucky ;-) )
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Posts: 5203 02/26/2008 12:47 Bulldog1935 |
the point that has been made before - all of this serves to reinforce the Bougle MkIV as the most collectible fishing reel of all time - numbers considered.
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Posts: 191 02/26/2008 14:27 |
i have been watching this thread and the one on the hardy perfect thread that just got locked , you hardy guys all up in arms over if the reels are being
made in England or china or Korea , save yourself the trouble of being hurt like looseing a girlfriend , why don't you all just start collecting DINGLEYS
, you'll never go back
 and you'll help drive up the price for
me
Richard
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