I know that Heddon models vary in quality and some tapers are better than others. Do the Folsoms made by Heddon also vary a lot or are they all higher (or
lower) end rods? Are all Folsoms made by Heddon? If not, what are the identifiers? What time period were Folsoms made? Thanks! tiptop
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Posts: 176 12/24/2007 13:52 |
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Posts: 940 12/24/2007 18:55 |
I have an Edwards made Folsom 1520, a 7'6" 2/2 that is one of my favorite rods. I once owned an 8'6" Edwards Folsom 1520 I should never have
sold and a Heddon made # 1525 8' 1 1/2F, equivalent to a Heddon model 35. I was early in my bamboo journey and foolishly sold it to acquire a Granger 8040.
I would love to get that 8' Folsom back somehow. I have seen 1510's which are lower grade , maybe Heddon model 10 or 14 and 1515's, the 1520 and up
seem to be very high grade rods. Folsom's always interest me, I would like to finda 7'er.
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Posts: 336 12/25/2007 01:00 |
I have seen Folsom rods by Heddon, Montague, Edwards, Payne, and T&E(or is it Landman). I currently have a Folsom made by Heddon 2 pc 7' fly rod and 3
different Folsom T&E(or Landman) rods.
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Posts: 879 12/25/2007 12:45 |
How do you distinquish between a Montague-Folsom and a Payne-Folsom?
FFBill
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Posts: 4731 12/26/2007 09:15 Bulldog1935 |
I love my 8-1/2' Folsom 1510.
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Posts: 986 12/26/2007 10:16 Admin |
Winchester made the Folsom 1515 & 1520s. They really shouldn't be characterized as "Edwards-made" because in all likelihood EWE never touched
them, let alone laid eyes on them. Both models were essentially rebranded from the Winchester 60xx series. I own a 6045 and 1515 that are identical in almost
every respect. But they certainly aren't Edwards products in quality or aesthetics.
That being said, the 1510, 1515 & 1520 are all sweet casting rods, and some of the better trade rods made in that period. Folsom obviously set, or expected, a high standard from its OEMs. My 1515 is a lovely nymphing rod, with a delicate taper that is simply a pleasure to fish. But I'd never call the rod an Edwards (though I wish it were).
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Posts: 942 12/26/2007 10:39 |
My Folsom has all of the characteristics of an Edwards; reelseat, wraps ( almost identical to a Gene deluxe), winding check and particularly the color of the
cane, the distinct Edwards hue. I believe it to be clearly an Edwards made rod, probably by Gene and Bill after the death of E.W. Streamer has cast the rod and
totally agrees it is an Edwards. My 8'6" was of similar aesthetics and a well known and respected restorer confirmed it to be an Edwards.
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Posts: 988 12/26/2007 12:01 Admin |
I'm only referring to the 1515s & 1520s. Folsom farmed out making to a wide variety of makers overs the years.
I guess if you have to call a Folsom an "Edwards," you want to be specific: a Bill Edwards, or a Gene. Generalizing has partially muddled the understanding of these great makers. Most collectors are completely confused when a rod is identified as an Edwards. Are we talking 1923? 1937? 1952? Vastly different eras, IMHO. |
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Posts: 348 12/26/2007 20:09 |
A few questions: As you are all aware Sinclair assigns # 1510--#1525 to Heddons and how those numbers match up with Heddon models. Some of you have mentioned
you have those numbers but by different manufactures. Can we assume that lets say all # 1520 8' might not be the same taper/action? A # 1520 by Heddon
would be a # 20,yet a #1520 lets say by Edwards might be a completely different rod. Am I out of line here or does that make sense? Dave
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Posts: 350 12/26/2007 23:00 |
According to Sinclair, the #1520 Folsom-Heddon is the equivalent to a model #17 Black Beauty. I own a #1520 that has red and gold wraps- without getting up to
check references, if I'm not mistaken those are the wrap colors of the #20. The rod I have also has "Folsom" written in spiral script, in what
looks to me to be the same hand as the script found on spiral-signature Heddons.
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Posts: 943 12/27/2007 10:49 |
I suspect the tapers are those of the manufacturer, be it Heddon, Winchester, Gene Edwards et al. My 1525 may have been # 20 cane but had the model 35 reelset
and was a Heddon 1 1/2F taper. My 1520's were both Edwards reeleats with the bakelite turnbuckle, winding check and clearly Edwards family cane coloration
so I am thinking Edwards tapers. I think the numbers, 1510 up to 1525 were simply related to price rather than a taper.
Pat is probably correct that E.W. had nothing to do with Folsom but clearly Gene or Bill did. It would be interesting to get more reference material on Folsom rods. |
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Posts: 1329 12/27/2007 12:09 |
According to Sinclair's Heddon book the first two numbers of a Folsom model designated the manufacturer of the rod, with the following two numbers
indicating selling price. 15=Heddon. As selling price increased over the years Heddon Folsom rods retained the same model number.
Therefore, a 1520 is not a #20 grade Heddon, but a Model #17 that originally sold for $20.00. Obviously some 1500 series rods were also assigned to Edwards/Winchester. Most interesting and confusing! Bob 
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Posts: 1 03/23/2008 12:48 |
have folsome # 15/15 8.6 ft exc cond 2 tips trying to get straight answer on price, getting 10.00 to 50.00 quotes i feel this is to nice of a piece of history
to sell that cheap, can anyone help me????? thanx steve
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Posts: 532 03/23/2008 14:44 |
Steve, my guess is $150-250 on eBay but the market is buyer driven. A shorter rod will bring better money.
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Posts: 1370 03/23/2008 20:03 Admin |
And it depends on who made the 1515. I sold a 3/1 in the last couple months that was a Winchester-made Folsom 1515... my memory is that it sold for $225. So a
3/2, IF its early 1920s (& not a decade later), should sell for close to $300. If it's a Winchester-made Folsom it'll have exceptionally rich, deep
cane color and a metal winding check & N/S reelseat. No "Edwards" tenite winding checks etc--those are all from the 30s.
So the answer to your question is somewhat driven by the period the rod was made. Yup, all quite confusing. I have a couple photos of Winchester-made Folsoms in the new Edwards book (the 1515 is virtually identical to the Winchester 6045 except in the color of the cane). Could you post a couple photos? |
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Posts: 1371 03/23/2008 20:08 Admin |
And it depends on who made the 1515. I sold a 3/1 in the last couple months that was a Winchester-made Folsom 1515... my memory is that it sold for $225. So a
3/2, IF its early 1920s (& not a decade later), should sell for close to $300. If it's a Winchester-made Folsom it'll have exceptionally rich, deep
cane color and a metal winding check & N/S reelseat. No "Edwards" tenite winding checks etc--those are all from the 30s.
So the answer to your question is somewhat driven by the period the rod was made. Yup, all quite confusing. I have a couple photos of Winchester-made Folsoms in the new Edwards book (the 1515 is virtually identical to the Winchester 6045 except in the color of the cane). Could you post a couple photos? |
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Posts: 50 03/24/2008 01:05 |
I have always wondered about a Heddon-made 8' 3/2 Folsom model that I bought from a board member quite awhile back. It's a high-end Heddon and carries
different inscription formating than the usual Heddon Folsoms. It's cosmetically lovely and beautiful casting rod of the Extra-Light trout (1 1/2 ferrule
on butt section) taper. It arrived in a Payne tube but the rod has lost it's history I'm afraid. If anyone has seen any similar Folsoms, I'd love
to hear about them. Here are several photos.
--Dwight
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Posts: 1515 03/24/2008 08:05 |
Dwight, if your male ferrules are hour glassed , you got a Payne!
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Posts: 1372 03/24/2008 13:01 Admin |
Sure not an Edwards!
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Posts: 51 03/24/2008 15:37 |
I'm reasonably sure that it's a Heddon given the characteristic Heddon-like handwriting, winding check, and relatively narrow reel seat ring (darn, no
hourglass ferrules either, as much as I wish they were there). The rings on Paynes seem a bit wider also. I admit these are not conclusive but Steve Blake
concurred it's a Heddon and although he has not seen any similar Folsoms, speculated that it may have been a special order or a very limited run for Folsom
Arms which may have wanted to fill a niche between the conventional Heddon Folsoms and a Payne but again this is just conjecture.
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fingernail |
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Posts: 1516 03/24/2008 18:18 |
Regardless of who made it, it's a beauty!
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