It is sure a beauty and looks like a Heddon to me, the cork and reelseat are like 7' heddon Fosoms I have handled. I am surprised to see that style on an
8'er but maybe because it is the elusive light 1 1/2f, fantastic taper.
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Posts: 1480 03/25/2008 17:31 |
Dwight,
I would have to agree that your rod is one of the most stunning Heddon 8 footers I've ever seen! I notice it is inked #322 (if I'm seeing correctly) above the hookkeeper. Curious if that would be a serial no. or model no.? Anyway, it's a definite keeper! Bob
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Posts: 52 03/26/2008 01:29 |
Bob and Others:
Thanks for the kind compliments. I've wondered about the number also--yes, it is "#322"--I'm inclined to think of it as serial number only because I've never seen any other similar number (unlike the usual #1510, #1520 Folsom models) but I'm just guessing. --Dwight |
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Posts: 437 03/26/2008 14:20 |
Beautiful rod, just beautiful... however, there are some attributes that makes me believe that it is not a Heddon:
- Welt on the female ferrules - I personally have never seen Heddon welts that rounded and finely made, even on their best rods in any era. Ferrules look like Halstead to me. - Butt Cap - Payne influence here. - Reel seat - I personally have not seen a Heddon where the cork melds into the wood of the seat like that rod. - Winding Check - doesn't look like any of Heddon's (close, but really not the same, even in the Model 50, 60, & 1000). - Bamboo Color - looks a bit light compared to virtually all Heddon's (a redo could have taken some of the color out so I'm less sure of this notation). Cane appears to be super clean and the nodes are superbly done. - Tip Tops - way larger than Heddon generally used. The rod has certain Heddon features, but all in all, I think it was made by someone else; one of the eastern makers. I don't want to sound like a know-it-all contrarian but I've seen so many Heddon's over the years and few were as nice overall as the rod here. Mike
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Posts: 546 03/26/2008 14:57 |
I'm with Mike on this. This one just doesn't pass the Heddon test - and while the handwriting is similar, it doesn't look like Cleo Hanley's,
which would have been expected on a rod as nice as this. Plus, I don't think, given the care she seemed to take, she'd have mis-spelled
"Handbilt" as "Hand Build". The grip is right for Heddon, though.
I don't think 322 is a serial number - it's in the same place and the same style as Folsom's model numbers. Love to be able to get hold of their corporate records! Is the winding check metal, wound-over, or tenite? Did Heddon ever use a tenite/pyralin winding check (my ignorance is getting in the way again...)? Pat, was there a specific tell-tale reason you rejected Edwards out of hand? That reelseat is a puzzle - its Divine influence is obvious, but it's equally obvious it's not Divine. Whatever, this is a gorgeous rod!
The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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Posts: 119 03/26/2008 17:26 |
Just checked my early payne (3/8ths inch cork ring grip). the ferrules seem to match those on the rod that dwight pictured.
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Posts: 3182 03/26/2008 18:03 Local user |
Dwight,
Whatever it is it's gorgeous. Enjoy my friend. Regards, Dennis |
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Posts: 53 03/27/2008 00:03 |
Thanks for everyone's feedback and thoughts (and Hi Dennis!). I'm impressed with the knowledge out there on this board. Obviously, I'm no expert.
It's odd that it came in a Payne tube and the reel seat does seem un-Heddon like. The winding check is similar and looks like tenite (or is it Pyralin?)
used on the higher-end Heddon's grip checks but as Mike pointed out, it's slightly different (for those that have Michael Sinclair's Heddon text,
see the photo on page 107 for similar checks). However, Michael lists the various private brand rods by Heddon and he includes a "Handbilt" model
under Folsom Arms (page 176), and I assume the lack of a "u" was due to an editing error. The inscription handwriting is very similar to that on the
two rod pictured page 107. The common letters seem very close to my eye but again I'm no expert. The cane is actually darker than in the photo and very
"Heddonish". When I bought it, the varnish was softening in many areas which also suggested Heddon to me. After Steve Blake refinished it, it was
just slightly lighter but not so much as in the photo.
As much as I would like to know the history, actually I think it's kind of cool to have these mystery rods to ruminate over--to my mind it's just part of the romance of the bamboo craft's historical fabric. --Dwight |
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Posts: 120 03/27/2008 00:43 |
looked again with a magnifying glass - the ferrules on dwight's rod are a close but not exact match to my payne. as everyone has pointed out, it is a great
looking fly rod. hope it casts as nice as it looks - and lets all celebrate the little mysteries that come with classic tackle.
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Posts: 1008 03/27/2008 07:11 |
Funny, after I posted on the rod I took another look and the color of the cane seemed too light for a heddon as Mike points out. The shape of the cok seems
identical to a 7'Folsom as does the rest of the reelseat but I saw that rod a few tears ago and can't be sure about the insert. The ferrules are
another variable I overlooked. Beautiful rod though.
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