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The Big Bambu |
Wraps on a PHY Perfectionist |
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What color wraps would be on a original PHY Perfectionist ?
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quashnet |
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This is the advice that Paul H. Young gave when people bought blanks from him to assemble and wrap themselves:
It is the usual procedure of the new rod wrapper to put on enough fancy colors to make the Bird of Paradise ashamed of himself. I suggest you use a yellow or cream silk and no color preservative. When the varnish is applied direct to the silk it soaks right through into the bamboo, and when dry, the silk wrap will be found to be transparent. Many PHY rods have wraps that are described as "gold" or "gold-tan," but sometimes I think the method used to create that color is as described above by PHY. Brown wraps are often found too. Neither of the PHY rods in the photo happen to be Perfectionists, but the wraps would be typical of a PHY Perfectionist, blending in nicely with the flamed cane.
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eastprong |
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Hard to tell from Quash's photos, but I have seen some close up photos that would suggest to me Belding Corticelli #3715 Antique Gold with straight varnish
(like Dickerson). The result is a bronzey-brown.
--Rich |
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quashnet |
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Here are wraps from three different PHY rods. Left to right: baitcasting rod, built 1953; Midge, built 1958; Martha Marie, built 1962.
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eastprong |
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At least the one on the left looks like it's been color preserved -- is that right? If you can't see the guide foot, it means it's been color
preserved, probably with lacquer.
--Rich |
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quashnet |
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You can see the actual guide foot better in direct light, rather than the indirect light in which I made the photograph, so as to reduce glare. But generally
speaking the guide feet cannot be directly seen through the thread wraps of either the left or the central rod. They can be more clearly seen through the
translucent "antique gold" wraps of the rod on the right (Martha Marie). This color and effect is, I think, more typical of Young rods from the
1950's and later.
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routta |
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based upon young's guidelines-
were the perfectionist wraps typically sans tipping also? |
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quashnet |
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Tipping was not typically found on a Paul Young rod. Instead, decoration was added by means of spiral wraps.
The rather fragile spiral wraps were less frequently used after Paul Young's death, but sometimes were used, in addition to inked lettering, as a visual device to distinguish one rod tip from the other when the tips were of different tapers.
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The Big Bambu |
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THE SMOKE HAS CLEARED ...
Quash, Thanks for all the help I was up in the air about how to wrap this blank the examples you posted helped me decide to use plain wraps and just a decorative spiral on the striping guide. What do you think ... just a bit of nostalgia for PHY.
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sanspareil |
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YLI #183 is the best thread match that I have used for Summers' era Young rods.
Mike |
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czkid |
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Define "original".
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fishnbanjo |
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czkid wrote: Here's 2 I can vouch for the wraps being original, the top a Jack Young/Bob Summers Martha Marie CA 1962 and the bottom a Paul Young Perfectionist built for Martha Marie Young 1955
banjo
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czkid |
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Sante;
You illustrate my point perfectly. To me the top rod is NOT an original PHY and the bottom one possibly is. To me, an "original" PHY rod is one made by Paul or employee, in his shop, during his time on earth. The others may, or may not, be true to the original. Sort of a hard ass approach... but an accurate one. Ralph |
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fishnbanjo |
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czkid wrote: Taking your original question of defining original it takes 2 to communicate this Ralph so my reply was still true in the sense that both rods hale from
the Young Rod Co., were made by either Paul Young, a Young family member or one trained as a Young employee and maintain their originality as well. If one was
wishing to discuss only rods made by Paul Young then this logically has to be quantified from the beginning but I believe the OP was questioning the color of
original wraps and to that end was my answer even though only one rod pictured was a Perfectionist. banjo
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quashnet |
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Oh, my. Here is a deep, fast current to wade across, and a hole in my hip boot.
The more I see of Paul H. Young's work, the less able I feel to make definite statements about "original" rods. My theory is that you learn a lot by seeing Mr. Young as a product of the Great Depression. That he was emotionally affected by the Depression is clear from the names he gave his early rod models: "Depression," "Recession," and "Prosperity." I suspect that as a lasting consequence of going through the Depression, Young as a businessman got rods built and sold however he could manage to do it. If he contracted with a factory rodmaker to build a rod, that was great. If he got blanks from a factory rodmaker and assembled the rest of the rod, that was great. If he had an apprentice work on the rod, that was great too. If he built the whole rod and sold it, great. It was all great as long as Young made a sale, moved on to the next rod, and sold that one too. There was no thought in his mind about "originality" or what collectors might think about it seventy-five years later. I have seen a gorgeous "Young" rod where I can't tell where Edwards stopped and Young began. Same thing with a pretty Heddon-based rod that is also partly a Young. At this point in the little I've learned about Young, I think that post-World War II, in the late 1940's, Young really started to come into his own as a rod designer and builder. Now you are more likely to be able to talk about "original" rods. He got excited about Florida saltwater fishing and built big parabolic rods. By 1948 he was making the parabolic trout rods that would become the 1950's "golden age" Young rod models. But he suffered heart attacks and after Bob Summers came on board in 1956, it probably wasn't long before an "original" Young might have a blank built by Summers, but signed by his mentor. For the sake of efficiency, most blanks probably got built in batches, to be set aside and finished as individual rods perhaps months after the blanks were built. Possibly some late 1950's rods built by Summers or others were finished and signed by Young, and possibly some early 1960's rods were blanks built by Young (who died in 1960) but finished and signed by Summers. This is speculation and I can't prove it for any individual rod. I do think that of all Young rods, Martha Marie Young's own 1955 "Perfectionist" must have been fully made by her husband as a gift to her. The same would be true of her Driggs, dated January 1953. The same would be true of a whole lot of rods - they were entirely built by Young. But a great Young rod is a great rod even if someone else had a hand in it, just like many great Rembrandt paintings were in part constructed and painted by Rembrandt's apprentices.
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Last Edited By: quashnet 04/15/2008 13:32.
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czkid |
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Amen.... the further you go past Paul's death, the less likely you are to encounter the true "magic" of a truly Paul influenced rod. And here
I'm not talking just wraps but action as well. It is painfully obvious that rods from the 50s cast much differently than later rods (unless you luck into
an old blank).
My point was and will continue to be that you have to be exceeding careful in the terms that you use when discussing rods. Not just PHYs but other rods as well. Early Grangers are certainly different from McGills, etc. etc. Thus a caution is in order for all of us when discussing rods for comparison purposes to be very specific as to what we are discussing. Ralph |
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quashnet |
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Particular care is required in assessing the Paul Young rods because Young himself sometimes varied the models over time, never mind what modifications or
variations might have been made by another worker. To take just the Martha Marie as an example (and at the risk of boring those who've heard this before),
the 7'6" M.M. started out with a 13 ferrule and 4 tip, went to a 14 ferrule and 4-1/2 tip, and in the 1959 catalog Paul Young offered the M.M. with
two differently tapered tips, just as he had done for years with the Para 15. So these variations are all Paul Young's doing, even before we begin to
consider whether or not rods built in the years after his death tended to drift away from his "magic." Young himself kept on experimenting, and an
angler might or might not like the results of any given taper experiment. No matter when a rod was built, I believe that catalog descriptions and
generalizations can only help you to an certain extent: beyond that point, only casting the individual rod can tell you what you want to know.
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etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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FlyDoctor |
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This is like saying there have been no Orvis rods since CF died. Guess everyone has to have some nit to pick--Larry
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czkid |
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I think you would possilby sing a different song if you ever cast a true original PHY vs a clone.......
Ralph |
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