What's your preference for bending a leader onto a dry fly? I've used the Turle forever and just tried the Davy knot (it failed on the strike). So
I'd like to know if there's a better knot ???
Ben
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Posts: 82 06/21/2008 14:15 |
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bobbeegee |
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Posts: 1750 06/21/2008 14:26 |
I can't say it is any better than the turle, but I've used it exclusively for over thirty years.
The only times it has not held was when I clumsily struck too hard! I am a believer in wetting it before drawing it tight. Bob |
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Posts: 1455 06/21/2008 14:30 |
I mainly use the "standard" clinch knot that's tied with a brass knot tier ... and sometimes use the improved clinch knot. Can't remember
the last time that I had a fly come loose on a fish using these two knots. If I get a break, it's usually at the leader to tippet knot.
Cheers and Safe Fishing Bob |
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Marshall8 |
try the.... | #3 | ||
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Posts: 728 06/21/2008 14:31 |
Pitzen or Sixteen-Twenty knot has worked well for me. In the testing I did it seemed to break 1/2" away from the hook-eye vs other knots like improved
clinch or trilene knot that always broke at the eye or pulled out leaving a pig tail.
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Ben Kann |
Another knotty question | #4 | ||
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Posts: 83 06/21/2008 19:14 |
Marshall8 wrote: I'm not familiar with any of these knots. Can you point me to a reference? Also, I always used the clinch/clench knot for everything BUT dry flies. I was told that the Turle was neccesary because it has to come straight out from the eye or the fly would cock on its nose (Kreh/Sosin "Practical Fishing Knots"). Have I been making myself extra work all these years? |
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Marshall8 |
google.com | #5 | ||
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Posts: 729 06/21/2008 21:01 |
Ben,
Try any question you have on google.com and you will get more responses than you want to consider. http://www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/files/index.html http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pitzen+knot Now there is nothing wrong with a whole bunch of these knots included all of those in the book you and I both have. The big difference I have found is some are much easier than others to pull up correctly EVERY TIME without screwing them up and others like the plain ole clinch are so darn less than best based on average breaking strength that you just about cannot screw up by trying something else. Try the ones I have listed against what you have been using and you might like them. http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/fishing/knots.htm#tutrtle This explanation of the Turle knot says it is one of the WEAKEST available so I have not wasted my time on this one. Marshall
Last Edited By: Marshall8 06/21/2008 21:08.
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2 Bead Pupa |
Orvis knot | #6 | ||
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Posts: 245 06/22/2008 09:24 |
I've been using both of the Orvis knots for about 8 years now and am quite happy with them . Moistening is essential no matter what knot you end up liking
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Posts: 676 06/22/2008 10:01 |
Ben, any knot will fail given enough stress or impact. What I've found with the Davy is that when it breaks it does so at the exit point of the tippet
leading out from the knot to the leader. The knot itself, when tied properly, has always remained intact and tight on the hook eye. That being said, a knot
failure certainly drops the confidence factor and gets one searching for options. I'd suggest learning several knots then testing them against each other
by repeatedly tying the competitors to each end of short lengths of tippet using standard hooks that match what you fish. Use pliers or hemostats to hold the
hooks and do slow and fast tension load tests to see what works best for you. IMO there is no "perfect" knot. Everyones' tying technique has
subtle variation that results in different results for each tier.
Ken A Curmudgeon is just an Old Fart with outlet malfunction. You'd be grumpy, too. |
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Posts: 424 06/23/2008 22:10 |
I think some knots can be challenging in that you can make a mistake and not know it and end up with a weaker knot than intended. Take care to do the proper
number of turns in the right manner. That said, some alternatives to the Clinch Knot and Improved Clinch Knot are found in Fishing Knots by Lefty Kreh:
Fisherman's Knot..also called Heiliger's Knot, the Pitzen, and 16-20. Trilene Knot...rated one of the strongest and quite easy to tie. Palomar...strong, but hook eye has to be large enough to allow the doubled line to be drawn through. Orvis....also called the Becker Knot, pretty easy to tie I have recently started using the Trilene Knot as I find it very easy to tie with these old, cold, hands. Good luck, Chuck |
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Berry Point |
George Harvey Knot | #9 | ||
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Posts: 314 06/24/2008 00:33 |
I posted this link to the Harvey knot over on the Ephemera forum a couple of months ago.
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-tie-a-george-harvey-dry-fly-knot-when-fly-fishing-64446/ I like dry flies to line up with the leader so that they float consistently right side up. The cinch and others often leave them floating sideways or upside down. The Harvey ensures right side up, is much simpler to tie than the Turle, and a lot stronger. The only time one of these has failed for me was once when I passed the end through in the wrong direction. The video shows two loops and two passes. On flies size 18 and smaller I use one loop and 4 or 5 passes which works just as well. |
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Posts: 290 06/24/2008 06:47 |
Improved Clinch here also,number of twists depends on size tippet for me.
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Posts: 2014 06/24/2008 08:04 Moderatus Muscae |
I use the Turle Knot for tippets ranging from 6X for dry flies to 10 lb. test for Atlantic salmon flies, and get good results. When I don't care about the
end of the tippet being in the same plane as the hook shank, or when the fly is tied on a ring-eye hook, I use a sort-of-Improved Clinch Knot.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of 290 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories,
etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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Posts: 1288 06/24/2008 08:04 |
Berry Point wrote: Being a confirmed Pitzen fellah for any number of years but always on the lookout, I think I'm going to give this one a try. It looks quite good. And if it's anywhere near as strong I'll make the switch. Thanks Paul! Now I've got to play around again with a few yards (quite a few) of tippet. Two identical hooks, Pitzen tied on one end and this knot of the other and a gentle pull until one gives. I've done it many times before. It's always interesting. I gave up the Clinch and all its versions many moons ago, for failures! Seems like the best way I know of to test these things... Jeremy. |
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Posts: 93 06/27/2008 09:26 |
I have been using a nail knot and I use it for everything! I bought one of those nail knot tools and I use it to tie on backing to fly line, leader to fly line
tippet to leader and flies on to tippet. I have also used it to make hand tied leaders. One thing I like is that I can thread a size 22 fly on and hook it to
the tool and I have the tool to hold on to instead of a tiny little fly, makes a difference when you have to fly fish by brail
 (old eyes) besides that I only have to remember one knot. Like I alway say
theres more than one way to skin the cat!
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