| Author | Comment | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
Booaddict |
flies for rainbow in Alaska |
Lead | ||
|
From 11-17 August I will be fishing on the copper river in Alaska(first time in the state). The place I am staying is suppose to furnish flies. If I bring my
own, what patterns should work best at that time of year. Thanks.
|
||||
|
|
||||
firehole |
#1 | |||
|
I've fished the Alagnak River and Moraine Creek in Katmai NP for the last three years and by far the best pattern for me has been Conehead Zuddlers in
black for trophy bows. It outfished egg patterns by a large margin. You can buy them online at www.hillsdiscountflies.com They're item # ST109. Get them in
size 2 & 4. The people at Hills are great. Enjoy!!!
Dennis |
||||
|
|
||||
ArcticCane |
#2 | |||
|
By mid August the rainbows are all eating salmon carcass and eggs. By and far the most popular and effective fly is -ahem- the bead. Probably 8mm or 10mm
cheese colored with pink swirls. Various other orange and pinks may work; the lodge will have the proper color and size for sure. Other good flies are
'flesh flies' or bunny leeches in various colors from dirty orange to tan to white. Large, size 4 & 6 work well and are most common. Tie up a
handful of smaller, size 10 or 12 micro flesh patterns and some tandem ones that are 4" or longer for some real fun (both casting and for luring bigger
fish). Remember, you're trying to mimic rotten salmon flesh and free floating eggs. You might be able to land a few working various medium sized nymphs
like stoneflies and prince nymphs. Don't count on it though. A size 10 nymph vs. a huge chunk of salmon is no contest in a trout's eye. You can bring a
mouse pattern or two and some bigger dries like stimulators on the off chance you get into some fish hitting dries, but for the most part you're dead
drifting to fish trying to take in as much food as they can before the winter. Not exactly traditional but you'll catch a lot of fish, some will be huge.
Chris
|
||||
|
|
||||
byrdog |
#3 | |||
|
My best luck was with a flesh fly, tied with an orange chenile body and a natural crosscut rabbit collar. Easy simple to tie then Hold on! Tim
|
||||
|
|
||||
Booaddict |
Thanks | #4 | ||
|
WOW! It sounds like I had better get to the gym if the fish are really that big. I appreciate your input. I hope my new Sweetgrass rod doesn't end up like
the "Golden Salmon" rod that broke with the 35# fish.
|
||||
|
|
||||
firehole |
#5 | |||
|
Here's a pic of the Zuddler. Forgot to mention articulated black leeches.
Dennis
Last Edited By: firehole 07/26/2008 12:52.
Edited 1 time.
|
||||
|
|
||||
BigTJ |
#6 | |||
|
I had the good fortune to guide up in AK for 8 summers in another life. Keep mind that there are a few rivers in AK where you can fish "real" flies,
like big Wulffs and Humpys, and you can also fish dropper-dry. I think the Copper is one of those rivers. Check with the lodge you are with and see if the fish
will be looking up at bugs. Where there are hatches the dry-fly fishing tends to be more of a June deal but it's worth checking.
Time of year plays a big role in what flies are working. Early season, sculpins are usually the ticket. Once the Kings get on their redds by mid-august, the big bows get in behind the kings and gorge on eggs. A size 6 or 8 clown egg is pretty hard to beat. Depending on water levels, the kings will start to croak mid-august, with the chums starting to take their place for an egg supply. If there is enough flesh in the system, a #8 flesh fly or cotton candy can be pretty deadly. If the socks are spawning you will want some smaller flies, perhaps about 6 mm and coral-colored beads with a white swirl can be about as good as they can get. Of course there is the ubiquitous egg sucking leech, in purple or olive, that will catch any specie of alaskan gamefish, you should take some of those. Articulated leeches in black, purple and hot orange and sculpins in black and olive will work all year but I would argue that in mid to late August the egg should be at least equally as productive, unless the King run was a total bust. The drawback with the eggs and flesh is they fish best under an indicator. If you don't like fishing bobbers and lead, then consider fishing streamers and dries. You might not catch quite so many fish but you might enjoy it more. If you like chucking junk then go for it you will be in heaven. Another fly you should bring is a mouse. They are a lot of fun. Fish it dead drift, like a humpy. It works better to dead drift them than skit them across the surface. If the fish are on them you can catch some nice ones. Do not use regular "trout" tippet in AK like you would use in the lower '48. The fish generally don't care. Use 8 lb maxima, clear or ultragreen, for eggs and such, and if you're fishing leeches or mice, use 12 lb. You can use 15 or 20 lb but then you risk losing a fly line as 15 lb maxima is stronger than 20 lb micron backing. For dry flies like humpies and wulffs 2x or 3x tippet is fine, or 6 lb ultragreen. Have a good time, -John
Last Edited By: BigTJ 07/28/2008 19:48.
Edited 1 time.
|
||||
|
|
||||
webcay |
More on AK | #7 | ||
|
Jumping on boo's fly question. I'm making my first trip to Alaska Sept. 8-15. We are staying at the "No-See-Um Lodge." Bad name.
I'm hoping to make it an all cane experience. Here is what I plan on taking. A Heddon 50 7wt. A Kusse 6wt. quad and a nice 5wt. that I won't mind
blowing up. Have any of you been up here and any recommendations?? |
||||
|
|
||||
BigTJ |
#8 | |||
|
It's on the Kvichack although I bet you'll probably fly out to some other streams that feed the Illiamna like Talarik creek or maybe the upper Nusugak
or Mulchatna. Regardless, the advice I gave above holds, except that the kings will be long gone and I would be surprised if you have any dry fly fishing other
than mice. Fly selections are pretty simple up there. It's a matter of deciding how you'll fish (on the swing, under a bobber, or on top with mice) and
then going for it.
The no-see-ums can be pretty bad in September so can the rain. Bring some DEET (don't need 100% it's bad for you and fly line 25% or 40% formulas work fine) and a serious waterproof jacket. Have a good time, -John |
||||
|
|
||||
16 pmd |
#9 | |||
|
Some great advice from Big TJ. I'd only add that I'd take another, heavier rod, probably an 8 wt. graphite. In Sept., you're likely to encounter
silvers in the 10-15 lb. range (and maybe also sockeyes and chums), possibly lots of them. Alaska fishing can be fast and furious and a bit rough and tumble,
so very hard on tackle. You may not catch a 10+ pounder and then just sit and savor the experience for a while. It can often be: bring one in, get it off and
go for another grab. Doesn't have to be, but that's often the mindset and tempo you get into there. A 7 wt. bamboo can certainly handle a 10 lb. fish,
but I'd be much happier with a stronger, more easily replaceable rod to handle large numbers of big fish. Also, no matter what you're fishing for,
you're likely to accidentally foul hook salmon. If you don't intentionally break it off immediately, you're in for a long rod-punishing struggle
just to get your fly back. I break them off, but if you don't, you'll be in for an extended tug-of-war that your very nice Heddon wasn't designed
for.
|
||||
|
|
||||
BigTJ |
#10 | |||
|
16pmd that is great advice. On the Kvichak you could hook a 34" rainbow...then what would you do? An 8-wt graphite rod is not too big of a rod if trophy
rainbows and silvers are lurking. That being said, I have landed a Silver on a 4-wt Scott glass rod fishing for pinks, so you do what you have to when the
situation arises. Oh to have such troubles!!!
|
||||
|
|
||||
bulldog1935 |
#11 | |||
|
On Kenai earlier this week, the flows are as big as they ever get and the late king and red runs are just beginning.
We pounded the dinks (up to 18", though) on beadheads - size 14 - any visible pattern in the fast water. We also caught risers on dries - again, any pattern worked. Within a few weeks, the big rainbows will come out of the lakes, after the salmon eggs and flesh fall. Then, flesh flies and beads will pound them. My last September trip on the Russian hooked a fish every 3rd cast. Here was Ptarmigan Creek (just 2 days ago) to show you the flows - they will be a quarter of this by late August
Last Edited By: bulldog1935 08/01/2008 19:23.
Edited 1 time.
|
||||
|
|
||||