I went back to the dark side and purchased a Winston Boron IIx. This is the first graphite rod I've owned in over 5 years and I specifically purchased it
b/c I wanted a long 6wt rod for nymphing and big dry fly presentations at far distances. The rod is perfect for these applications and will see regular use
along with my other rods. While the Boron will never replace my cane rods, it certainly has a place in my stable and will get a regular workout for big river
nymphing applications. Oh, I also picked up a Lamson Lightspeed to go with it. As a former Hardy purist, I must say that this is a super reel and a reel joy to
fish. While it doesn't play the sweet Hardy music when I have a fish on, it can stop a truck in fast current. This reel enabled me to land a 20" 4-5lb
bruiser of a brook trout yesterday. What's the point of the graphite homage on the bamboo board? Well, I've always been far left of center and
considered anything but a Hardy reel (and a few other classics as well) and bamboo rod to be a waste of time. Now that I've fished bamboo exclusively for
the past 5 years, I can see there is room for both. There are times that anything less than a bamboo rod and Hardy reel = disappointment in the fly fishing
experience. One of those times is fishing dries and small wets or technical fishing for big fish and light leaders. However, sometimes I just want to catch big
fish in brawling rivers... leaving the concerns of putting sets in my rods back at stream side... and at the end of the day, be able to put my tackle away
without thinking about the care involved (fish and forget). That's a great time for fishing graphite. Bill - N2B
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Forgive me for I have sinned... |
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Posts: 642 05/24/2008 14:26 |
Mighty fond of the Lamson Litespeeds myself, using them on my saltwater graphites. Light, stong and reliable with the least startup inertia of anything
I've come across. After perusing some photos posted here I've also come to the opinion that they can look pretty good on cane, also. Now I wonder if
mounting a strip of a playing card to a frame port could give us the missing sound effects a'la the old childhood bicycle spoke system? BTW, agree with
your call on the new graphite as well; nothing to be ashamed about.
Ken A Curmudgeon is just an Old Fart with outlet malfunction. You'd be grumpy, too. |
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Posts: 202 05/24/2008 14:42 |
As long as you realize you've sinned.
You're ok. 
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Posts: 1161 05/25/2008 07:41 |
Welcome back to the dark side Bill! (grin)
I use boo and graphite side by side for my fishing. As soon as the river is larger than medium sized I'll pick my graphite rods (mostly a 9ft #5) for my fishing. Simply: better reach, better mending, lighter in hand, longer casts (when needed), heavier nymphs. Have you tried the Sage Z-Axis before buying the Winston? I got the saltwater version of the Z-Axis #6 and it's an amazing caster. Jay |
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Posts: 83 05/25/2008 08:51 |
A few days ago I bought a Hardy 'The Graphite Marvel' 6'6" 2wt on the 'Bay. The sweetest graphite fly rod ever produced if you ask me, and
quite rare too. It was only produced in 2004 and had the honour to share a catalogue page with the Gladstone.
I also own two Greys Streamflex 4wts (8' and 10') that I wouldn't want to miss. I love and prefer to use bamboo, but I also love (and sometimes it's simply the better choice) to fish with a fine graphite rod. Wilfred de Bruijn
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Posts: 838 05/25/2008 09:14 Angry Andy |
Jay,
You are truly a recidivist! Worse yet, your lauding of plastics may unduly influence a member here to try one of your suggestions. I suggest you post your nonsense to one of those boards that extol graphites and fiberglass! 
Then again, I suspect both Jay and Willie are both too young to suffer nostalgia of the old days when bamboo was king!
"You can't make new old friends"
 Andy
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Posts: 641 05/25/2008 09:27 |
I recently purchased a Sage Z-Axis for situations where I might endanger a fine bamboo rod. For instance, I will be floating the Green River in Utah this year
and navigating the fast current and rocks in the river make me very uneasy fishing cane.
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Posts: 203 05/25/2008 10:20 |
I had a weak moment myself and bought a Winston WT. I quickly saw the error of my ways and sold it to buy another bamboo. A nice 8013 version.
Phew! That was close.
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OMG what next?!!!!!!! | #8 | ||
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Posts: 88 05/25/2008 12:40 |
The next thing you know we'll be talking about using bobbers on bamboo! Oh wait, we already beat that horse to death (and still beating the carcase!) Truth
is there is a tool for everything, to each his own. ............and if you have to cheat or take the easy way out well, that doesn't make you all bad!
Where's that signature.....you know the one that says "You've missed another opportunity to keep your mouth shut." - Or something like that, I need to write it another 100 times on the chalk board. 
doesn't seem to take.
Actually .........I bought a Winston blank and made an 8'6" 5 Wt. (years ago) that I have been known to use and even with a strike indicator and (ugh) nymphs.........there I said it... but if anyone asks me I will swear that someone hacked this post and I will deny it with my last breath! (monment of weakness) Joe |
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Posts: 2693 05/25/2008 12:43 |
For such a pack of miserable miscreants, scapegraces, and backsliders, you guys don't sound nearly guilty enough, but instead parade your excuses and
rationalizations as if they should carry some weight with or earn you pity from true believers. May Father Banjo assign all of you appropriate penance which
will put some respect for bamboo back into you. The way you've been behaving you'd think the Forum were merely another way station for the glassy-eyed
or carbon-fiber plaguers. The shame of it! I'm appalled. Appalled.
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Posts: 1674 05/25/2008 12:47 |
Bravo, Brother Bill, bravo!!
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Chalk board | #11 | ||
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Posts: 89 05/25/2008 13:00 |
Maybe I could share my chalk board!
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LEPERS!!!!!! | #12 | ||
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Posts: 3456 05/25/2008 13:19 Moderator |
Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!! What are we to do with the lot of you??? You bring shame upon your families, and your friends spit upon you!! Someone needs to rescue
all the bamboo rods in your possession and redistribute them amongst us who truly care. Pah!!! A pox upon you!!! May your mothers .....
Sadness prevails........ Ralph
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Posts: 204 05/25/2008 13:23 |
I just came back from casting my new 8013. I can cast it just as far with the biggest fly I use (#8 hopper) as I can with the 8'6" 5wt WT.
I see no advantage to graphite in my type of fishing. With a fish on, it's no contest. Grass wins easily against plastic. Boonut sneaks out the back door. |
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Posts: 2695 05/25/2008 13:42 |
Way to go, Ralph. Way to go, Boonut. Where's the choir? How can they expect us to preach if they don't have a choir filled with ameners to whom we
can preach? My Great Uncle BlackHillsPaul, the famous Dakota Territory missionary whose scalp is on display in the tourist teepee at Mount Rushmore (could be
I've mentioned him earlier), wouldn't do an exorcism without a choir.
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WHOA!!!! | #15 | ||
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Posts: 3457 05/25/2008 14:51 Moderator |
Wait a minute now Bill... the last time you claimed that the scalp was on display it was up on the little mountain next to the bluegill hole on the way to
Sturgis.... let's get the stories straight here guy!!! I spent way too much time flying all over western SD to miss an error like that!!! Next thing
you'll tell me is that there's no such place as Mud Butte.......
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Posts: 2696 05/25/2008 16:15 |
No, no, no, Ralph. You're confusing BHP with BB (bearbutt) one of our forumites, who, as I remember, was having a spiritual difficulty which was was
throwing off his angling. I don't remember what his affliction was exactly, could even have been a graphite spree. So, being in an especially good mood
that day, I recommended he keep a vigil atop his namesake mountain in the Black Hills until his spirit was right again and told him that vigils always worked
best in my experience if one stripped to his loincloth, rubbed honey on his bare parts, had himself staked to a juniper, and then waited for either the
rattlesnakes or the ants to convince him to quit his wanton ways. I'd recommend that in this case, too, except I'm pretty sure BB got a second opinion
which he liked better.
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Posts: 211 05/25/2008 17:13 |
No, no, Bill, it wasn't a graphite spree, not by a long shot--. Nor was the Dakota Sturgis involved--no Harleys certainly--though the Walmart in Sturgis,
Michigan, might have had an influence on my day--this is a place where Michigan's rural conflicts get played out--the Crystal meth lab technicians vs the
Amish log cabin technicians. In any case, I'm wise enough not to rub honey on any of my bare parts, I learned this from the lady who put honey on her
child's hand in the Smokies so she could get a picture of a bear licking the honey--what she got was a picture of the bear--never mind, it's all in
Bryson's "A Walk in the Woods." I did however get a second opinion, which was rather less colorful than yours, but somewhat more sane.
Anyhow, I think Ralph has a point, that scalp of BHP has a way of getting around without two legs to move it places. But, then, scalps do that when they don't have a head attached to them any more. bb |
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Posts: 2697 05/25/2008 17:26 |
What a relief. For I've been worried all this time. And here it was just I who was being wrong about which Sturgis while Ralph was having a point and
you were finding saner views. Figures. Well, I'm especially happy that if there is a point to all this, it turns out to be Ralph's. I have decided to
quit the business of being an old scold--too many liabilities, with no forgiveness to be found in any direction.
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Posts: 53 05/25/2008 18:42 |
I may be totally crazy, but I don't feel the need to go catch huge fish in brawling waters. If I did, I'd probably take a spinning rod, which is about
the right weight to cast the sort of nymphs and split shot and strike indicators necessary for those trout and those waters. I get my fun from fooling risers
with dry flies, or emergers, or even wet flies on the swing. But don't get me wrong, I'm not deriding your purchase and use of a graphite rod. I own
nine Sage Lightline Lightweight rods, not because they're graphite, but because they are about as close to bamboo in action as you'll ever find in a
plastic rod. They're fun to fish, too,....just not quite as much fun as a cane rod.
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Posts: 205 05/25/2008 19:31 |
There's lots of good casting plastic rods. The problem is they leave me cold. They have no soul.
A fly rod should do more than get a fly from point A to point B. |
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