Looking for pictures of South Bend rods made by Winchester during Edwards tenure. Models should be 12, 20, & 30 and any pictures would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Ed
Thanks,
Ed
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South Bend rods made by Winchester (Edwards)
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jhcoffeebum |
South Bend possibly a Winchester era/Edwards era | #1 | ||
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Posts: 67 02/10/2009 20:46 |
bamboocollector11,
I just bought a rod on that online auction that will go unmentioned. From looking into Pat Garners' book "Playing With Fire: The Life & Fly Rods of E.W. Edwards" pages 100, 101 and 102, the winding check, ferrule and reel seat looks like it could have an Edwards connection. You can see it at eBay auction number 160313876835. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Peabody1955 |
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bamboocollector11 |
Edwards SouthBend | #2 | ||
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Posts: 384 02/11/2009 19:11 |
I saw the rod on the unmentionable site and watched to see the auction. It is the lowest grade SouthBend (Winchester) Edwards rod I have seen. The tip is not
original, the mid (if original) is short and has had the ferrules replaced ( a Montague female ferrule on the mid) etc; but the real seat definitely looks
like Winchester to me. I have seen ARMAX , and Jay Harvey marked rods with the same reel seat less the SB markings.
I do not think Winchester was buying parts from Montague, but I have often wondered whether or not Winchester sold components to SB for future rod assembly. We know that Winchester had varying degrees of Quality, especially after Edwards left Winchester. Winchester stopped making rods for South Bend by 1926 (possibly earlier) and Edwards left Winchester in 1924, so one would surmise that the majority of Winchester made SB's were made during Edwards tenure. The reason I wonder if Winchester sold reel nickel silver components to SB for future assembly is that I have a 2pc SB rod with all Winchester looking hardware that I suspect is an early model 29, but does not fit into the pre-1926 time frame for the 3 known models. The butt section including hardware appears to be a Winchester SB. Good Luck with the restoration. Ed |
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Posts: 2122 02/11/2009 21:34 Admin |
South Bend had a working agreement with Winchester during Edwards years there, and Win made a series of rods that went out under the SB name. That's why
they look similar to Winchesters. From what I've handled of the Win-made SBs, they were the low end, trade rod quality.
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jhcoffeebum |
note on this rod | #4 | ||
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Posts: 69 02/16/2009 20:48 |
In reply to a posting on this rod...
Hi Tom, I was doing some research on the rod and with a Google search I found a book on antique fly fishing companies. South Bend had a contract with Winchester for these rods and the Edwards were there at the same time. Also if you get a chance to look at the Kosmic rods you will notice that they also have very similar reel seats and winding checks. It wouldn't surprise me if some how the Edwards had some connection with the manufacture of the South Bend line while at Winchester. I might be out in left field but Michael Sinclair also said the the hardware looked like a lot of Edward equipment. I have Pat Garner's book "Playing With Fire: The Life and Fly Rods of E.W. Edwards". In plate 72 it first shows a comparison of a Winchester 6045 and Folsom 1515 reel seats, and in plate 73 the winding checks are compared. My rod has the reel seat (the sliding band is identical, the reel seat is slightly different) and winding check in those pictures! Also in "Classic and Antique Fly-Fishing Tackle" By A. J. Campbell page 141, and I quote " In 1919, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company of New Haven, Connecticut, purchased E.William Edward's company, and convinced E. William to move to it's large factory, recently acquired from Hendryx. Bill the younger remained in Brewer as an auto mechanic, and Bill senior relocated to Connecticut in the fall of that year. High end Winchester rods built during E.W. Edwards's tenure were graceful casting tools. Many of the better-grade rods were built for, and marked, South Bend." End of quote. I am convinced that E.W. helped develop this rod. How cool! I should note that my wife just walked into the room and I showed her the pictures with my rod lying across them and she said "no no that one in the picture is smaller" and "no no the one in the picture is brassy". Dumb girls what do they know! Thanks for the note, Jack |
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Posts: 2207 02/27/2009 13:55 Admin |
Jack, as I try to emphasize in "Playing With Fire," Edwards made very few rods himself while at Winchester. But what he did do is create the entire
rod-making division, basically from scratch. So he designed models, tapers, components--everything necessary for what became a huge operation. In effect he was
the designer & CEO of that division during his 5 years there.
I estimate that he personally made well under 180 rods while there, and those were largely--if not entirely--spectacular & highly recognizable rods. And well less than half that number may still survive. I do not believe he laid a finger on all but the most unusual trade rods--although he would have, by title, been "supervising" the general manufacturing operation. His son Gene worked there with him almost from the start; Bill was not a Winchester employee. So it's fine to assume the South Bend was designed by EW Edwards, but that would have been the extent of his involvement. |
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South Bend model 12 | #6 | ||
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Posts: 74 02/27/2009 16:19 |
Thanks Pat,
I understand the way my model 12 fits into the Winchester "Trade Rod" production now. Jack |
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