If you had to make the longest cast you possibly could with a currently owned or previously owned bamboo fly rod - regardless of line weight or rod length,
what would you use? Appreciate all replies. TIA
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Posts: 1959 07/17/2008 21:11 The COOLER |
Some here will say a Morris Kushner 8'6" 5 WT and justifiably so. I will tell you it's a Dickerson RBS 8013, 8' 5 WT.
Rolf Brook Trout are God's way of reminding us everything is going to be alright. |
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Posts: 977 07/17/2008 21:28 |
I have a 10' 6", two handed, hollowbuilt, 8 weight on order. That should do the trick.
FFBill
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Posts: 550 07/18/2008 00:55 |
In single hand rods, a 9' 9 wt. E.C. Powell tournament rod that was used in the American Casting Association National Championships in 1938. The previous
owner told me he won the distance competition with it. It's a bit of a beast designed to cast 300 grains and takes a strong caster to get the most out of
it. Almost too much rod for me, but a nice piece of history.
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Posts: 285 07/18/2008 07:34 |
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Posts: 685 07/18/2008 08:13 |
16 pmd;
Are you familiar with the name Ed Tassi from the early day at the Golden Gate Casting Club? Probably before your time I'm sure. I know he held some accuracy titles. I just got in his R.L. Winston S.F. Two Handed Cane Rod. It's a monster at 15' and 3" in circumference just above the top grip at it's widest point. To me it looks way to big to have been used for any type of casting competition when compared to Winston tournament rods I've seen in the past, possibly for the salt but you would think short and stout? Looks like todays Spey rods but without a reel seat and I was thinking Spey rod when I first laid eyes on it but the action is very, very fast or should I say no flex at all to put it kindly! Amazing history! I'm a little obsessed with finding out more about the Man and the rod. The Boo Boys seem to be on the same track as myself but we don't have the whole story yet. Maybe he would have used the rod at the club as a demo for distance? It's a pre-serial number Winston so it's not on the books but great piece of Winston history! Anyone know this name? Sorry Rob not trying to hijack your thread but to answer your question I'd use your Pentalux 
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Posts: 333 07/18/2008 09:31 |
Rick - No worries, sounds like an amazing rod. What does it weigh?
Thanks for the kind remark regarding the Pentalux. Thus far I only have two models: Q3 a 6' 3wt and the S4 a 7' 4" 4wt (the one you have). I am equally impressed with it ability to go long but it was designed to cast a DT4 line accurately and efficiently throughout the ranges and not really for distance. From my perspective a rod designed for distance casting holds a completely different set of requirements and parameters. I had a Leonard Tournament at one time that was an incredible caster but was awful to fish with.... As you know I have several different models in development but currently focusing efforts on working out a set of definitively distance tapers. Appreciate all the replies thus far, please keep em coming. The Powell nod was great as I completely forgot about his formula B tapers and will be looking at those again for sure. Best Regards, Rob |
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Posts: 780 07/18/2008 10:18 |
alpom wrote:
I'll second that. Great to fish with as well. Best from Krautland, Christian
them 'at knows nowt, fears nowt
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Posts: 3512 07/18/2008 13:13 Moderator |
A PHY 9ft Parabolic 6wt that I can get 90ft + measured by the distance casting instructor. Also an Orvis 8'6" Shooting Star, 8/9wt, surprisingly
fishable rod... really enjoy it for bass.
I've also got a (new to me) PHY Para 17 that I'm just getting figured out that might even go further than either of the 2 above. Ernie Schwiebert's old rod, redone by John Pickard... an amazing machine. Ralph |
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Posts: 116 07/18/2008 14:20 |
Distance is a function of line weight and line speed. When all other factors are equal, a caster will always be able to throw a heavy line farther than a
lighter one. When all other factors are equal, the higher your line speed, the farther you will throw that line. Rod length is a key factor in line speed. The
longer the rod, the higher the potential line speed that a caster can generate, up to the point where the increased rod weight starts to actually slow
down the casting stroke. Longer is better and heavier is better, assuming that you can cast a longer rod with a heavier line effectively.
I don't own a bamboo rod longer than nine foot or heavier than eight weight. At 5'10" a nine footer fits me just fine but longer than that is a little awkward. Above eight weight I switch to graphite. My favorite nine foot for eight weight is a Gene Edwards salmon rod and it really is a gun. I can't cast out an entire fly line with it, but on a good day I come pretty close. Another way to say that is that I cast my nine foot for eight weight almost twice as far as I can cast a nine foot for five weight. All this is single handed casting. I do not spey cast. Spey rods are often longer and are built to throw heavier lines which explains the extraordinary stuff that you see spey casters do. I agree that the characteristics that make a great casting machine are antithetical to a great fishing rod. I buy my bamboo rods as fishing poles not distance casters and I think you start to move outside of the range where bamboo performs best at somewhere around fifty feet. If I know that I am going to have to cast long for much of the day, I switch to graphite.My bamboo rods seem to appreciate this, and so does my shoulder. Best, Bill Lambot
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Posts: 616 07/18/2008 15:16 |
this may seem out of left field ,i think the fastest rod i ever cast was a anglers choice light salmon rod .a two pc. 9' cannon. easily was able to cast
all of a 7wt fly line and quite a bit of backing.
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Posts: 686 07/18/2008 16:01 |
Hey Rob;
Just joking about the S4 I know it was not made for distance but I'll see what I can do with it this weekend! Oh, and YES to any EC Powell for myself. They are very under rated in A or B tapers! |
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Posts: 220 07/18/2008 17:41 |
With my Leonard 50DF-5 over-lined with a Joan Wulff Signature 6wt (actually a WF line) I can just about cast the entire line ... if I put some of that line
slick stuff on the line, I can cast it all.
Then I can go back in the house and take about 4 Ibuprofen and put an Ice Bag on my shoulder. 
Ken PS: I'm referencing "Lawn Casting" because when in the water, say waist deep, there is far less capacity for a long back cast so the forward cast is not as long .... I suspect most of the answers to this question are based on "Lawn Casts" ... for one thing, besides allowing for longer back casts, they are measurable |
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Posts: 1960 07/18/2008 22:31 The COOLER |
CtKenC wrote: Ken I've seen you cast on and off the water. Either way, you can cast a three weight to the backing and make it look smooth and easy. I believe we're talking about mortals here.... not you! Brook Trout are God's way of reminding us everything is going to be alright. |
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Posts: 551 07/19/2008 01:58 |
Rick, No, I'm not nearly old enough to have known Ed Tassi, but he appears in group photos in the Golden Gate Angling & Casting Club clubhouse. As to
the rod, it's almost certainly a tournament rod of some kind, especially because it has no reelseat. Are you sure it's a fly rod? Winston built all
kinds of bamboo rods, including surf casting rods for distance tournaments. The current two handed tournament fly rods I think are limited to 17', but
rules could have been different when that rod was made.
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Posts: 435 07/19/2008 03:54 |
I would have to use a 9ft Heddon #35 in 2.5f. Also have a #125 9ft in 2.5f that really let me get the line out. However most places where I fish, it could also
mean a pretty good climb up a tree to undo the backcast.
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Posts: 835 07/19/2008 10:14 |
A 9½' Shooting Star. A few minutes lawn casting was more than enough. I'd hate to have to fish it.
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Posts: 659 07/19/2008 22:49 |
Dickerson 8014 Guide. I've never fished it but I did lawn cast it once and what a rocket!
Jim |
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Posts: 687 07/20/2008 07:15 |
Hello 16pmd;
What year was the photo taken? I'm thinking Ed's rod is a surf casting rod also because of it's weight at 2-lbs 4.1ozs and very stiff action. I've named it the Beast 
Hey, Jim I forgot about the Dickerson 8014 Guide what a great rod!
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Posts: 660 07/20/2008 10:36 |
Hi Rick,
Yes, the Guide is a great rod. I keep thinking I ought to fish it, but it may be the only 8014G existing in mint unfished condition. As I recall Dickerson only built nine of them. Jim |
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