Thanks,
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flyfishing4life |
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I know that this has probably been covered here before, but I am really interested in getting a silk line for the new bamboo rod that I built. Several factors
come to mind though... why such a high price ? How long does it take to break them in ? Why are some lines so short? and any other general knowledge that some
of you folks have about these lines would be greatly appreciated. I don't care to dress and let dry or switch ends during the day so that's no big deal
I think the extra care will be well worth it.
Thanks, Nathan |
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Time = money and it takes a lot of time to craft a silk line.
Some say the Phoenix Line don't need to be broken in - No personal experience with them. Thebault - A couple of hours per the instructions and a few fishing trips will have the line in perfect shape ( I have a DT4) and love it. Terenzio - I had one, many hours spent trying to break it in, sold it. Older used lines, no experience, but some on this site have some very old lines that fish great! They last as long as you take care of them As far as the length goes, Thebault offers a shorter line or half line, costs less, allows more backing to fill out spool. Only advantage, other than price, I can see to a half line would be for use on a tiny reel. If you get one, find or make some sort of line winder / drying rack. Un-spool the line onto the winder dry, wind line back to the reel, un-spool again applying dressing (Mucilin) let it sit until you want to go fishing, then wipe excess off as you wind line back onto the reel. Takes about 5 minutes (plus drying time). PM sent Pete
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Nathan
Just found this info on the Powerfibers site ( http://www.powerfibers.co...ott_Silk_Lines_Letter.pdf) great info on silk lines. Cheers Bob |
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MontyMontana |
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Nathan...
in your post you say you are interested in aquiring a silk line for a "new rod I built".......tell us about it. Last we (the forum) heard you were interested in acquiring a Boo rod and (we all know how that ended) but now you have built one...great. Can you share the build particulars? Monty Montana
Your Signature ... I fish via our criminal justice system..."Catch and release"
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flyfishing4life |
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Check back ot this post in a few for some pictures. The build isnt completer yet but it is well on its way !!!!
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Recently there has been a run of new full length DT silk lines on an auction site frequented by many of us. They are being sold out of China and seem to be
selling @ around $ 60.00 or so. Shipping takes 3-4 wks. Has anyone tried one of these.? They seem like a tremendous bargain and the seller has excellent
feedback thus far. If response is negative please PM me, I don't want to start a bashing of anyone here, just curious.
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retrotrout |
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I fish four Phoenix silk lines, and love them. The oldest is a DT4 that is fifteen years old, and still going strong. Instead of a winder/drier, I put two pegs
in the uprights holding up my deck. The posts are 8 feet apart, and I just lay the line over the pegs and let it air dry, still attached to the reel, which
takes perhaps an hour or so, then I wind the line back on the spool. Several years ago, I wrote an article for a magazine called The Angler's Journal. The
title was: The Swish of Silk. If you Google it, you can find it. Phoenix Lines liked it well enough to put on their website. Silk lines are great. I've
also revitalized a couple of vintage double taper silks that turned out well. Reed Curry has an article online on his methods that should be of interest to
you.
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Hap |
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I tried a silk line for the first time this season. The line I have is a Thebault 27 meter DT-5. I think silk brings out the best in a bamboo rod . As far as maintenance I don't see much more of a fuss, as I clean and dress my synthetic lines after each fishing trip. As for Phoenix or Terenzio I have no experience with those lines. Best Regards Hap |
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I have two Thebault lines, a 5 wt, DT and an 8 wt., WF. If you follow the directions that come with the line for greasing and break in I don't believe
you'll ever desire another line. Only problem is I can't afford all the silk lines I think I need! I have to concur with Hap regarding maintenance
nor do I have a Phoenix or Terenzio line to compare.
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Have a Phoenix and love it! It's a 5wt double taper full length line.
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krautcaster |
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I own (and fish) silk lines of all 3 makes referred to in the previous posts (Phoenix, Thebault, Terenzio). In my view the quality of all those lines is
excellent, allthough I would pick my choice in the order that I quoted them.
The biggest surprise to me was the results I was able to get from restoring a vintage silk line that I once purchased from fellow board member Matt Schliske (aka germanbrown). During the process of that restauration I had the great luck to be introduced to Dr. Wolfram Schott who wrote that well known article referred to in Bob´s (joaniebo) previous post in this thread. Mr. Schott should be one of the most knowlegeable living individuals when it comes to silk lines and how to treat them. Even better, from what I can tell, he is willingly sharing his wisdom with others. I asked him for some advice and received plenty. I then did exactly what he recommended and the line turned out simply spectacular. The reactions I received from friends who saw the line were between disbelieve and euphoria. The actual procedure is pretty far away from the well known Reed Curry recipe and I am convinced far superior to it though also a good bit more time-consuming. It actually took me close to a year to get the line done but that´s mostly because I spend too much time at my office desk (sad...) and even more time with my family (lucky...). If you are only limited to the drying periods in between the various coats of (fast drying) linseed oil, you may get the full job done in a couple of weeks. You will end up with a fantastic line and a much better understanding of why silk lines really ARE worth so much more than the industrial plastic lines. It´s a craft and thus you create REAL value. (Since I worked on my line, I have a very hard time spending more than a handfull of $ on any plastic line). So, if you can spend the dough and want the swish of silk fast, go for a Phoenix or Thebault or Terenzio. If you are on a budget, if you are willing to spend the ellbow grease, and if you really want to get behind the secrets of silk, go get yourself an old line (let it be sticky but watch out for structural damage and missing ends...) and DIY!!! Best wishes from Germany, Andy
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Andy, I was wondering if you would share how you restored your silk line. I have a line which is tacky and needs some work I plan to do. You could either
email me or post it here as you like. I'd also like to know what you used for varnish/oil.
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krautcaster |
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PM sent! Andy |
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Perhaps this is heresy on this site but what about Cortland's Sylk lines? I know they're synthetic but how do they compare to the real thing?
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krautcaster |
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Gentlemen,
as I keep getting request for the DIY restoration recipe that I referred to in my previous post, I have to underline the fact that this is not "my" method but a method that Dr. Wolfram Schott generously disclosed to me when I asked him for advice. It is important to me that credit/honor is given to whom it´s due here.
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Sue,
As supple as the Cortland Sylk is, is still not as nice as real silk. Close, they cast very nicely on many rods. Pete
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Thanks, Pete. I had a feeling that might be the answer but just wanted to throw it out for discussion.
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sharps4590 |
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what pvansch1 said......I agree completely.
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Andy,
Please publish the technique you used so that we may all benefit. Wolfram has already kindly put his excellent treatise on silk lines on www.overmywaders.com ( see Silk Lines by Dr. Wolfram Schott) ; if he has a method for cleaning and treating silk lines that works, I hope we all can enjoy it. "There is more than one way to skin a cat (erpillar generated fiberous fly line)." |
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I have alot of silk lines and do fish them now and then.
As my bamboo rods the silk lines are older and many times stuck to gether on the reel. If you pull the silk line you could damage or break it. You can do what I do and will post photos when I get home. Say you pick up a nice reel that looks to have some nice fine silk line that has stuck together. I soak the entire reel in rubbing alcohol and let it soak for a week. Then I pull it out and try to unwind it, if it unwinds then great, if not back it goes. Yes, this can damage some reels finish's,some it does not bother. so it is up to you. After I get the line off it is back in a jar with new alcohol and after a day or so, I slowly remove the varnish with a cotton towel. Then I let it dry on my drier for a week or so. My varnish is made up of Man-o-war, japan drier and linseed oil. 60% varnish 30% boiled linseed oil and 10% japan drier. (the drier helps it cure faster) I put the varnish in a large glass jar and then put in the line. I shake it around untill the whole line is in the varnish, I leave it on my desk, Each day I come home I flip the jar , after about a week or so I pull the line out and put on my drier. Once it is dry then I put back in jar and get another coat on it. This time I sqeeze out the extra and it seems to level out ok on the line. Back it goes on the drier. I put 3-4 coats on the line and then after a good drying. the line get a buffing with 3m buffing compond to remove any blemish's. Once that is complete the it muchlin(s)or deer fat. I have done about 15 lines and have many more to do. I would say some of my lines are 80+ years old and going strong. I have waxed on one time and it only worked out OK. There is nothing compared to fishing a 80+ yr old fly rod with silk line and a silk leader, unreal, makes you wonder why they quit fly fishing with them. I have no reason ever to fish a plastic rod.
BDC
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I have used the old method (attributed to Major Traherne in a Finnish fishing book from 1920's) in which the coating is raw linseed oil & spar varnish.
Very time consuming - a HCH line took about 8 months to dress - but the result was excellent. I have fished that line for seven seasons now and it's still
like new.
The instructions mentioned also the possibility of using boiled linseed oil but also that even though this speeds up the procedure, the result is not as satisfying. Last night I stripped one old HDH and a Kingfisher WF7. So. I'd also love to hear about the method used by Herr Dr. Schott - Bitte!
Regards, Anssi
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