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booyah |
whats the biggest difference.......... |
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What is the biggest difference between American tapers and Brittish tapers?
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Flyman615 |
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Most American tapers work. Many British tapers don't.
Regards, Flyman
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booyah |
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I wondered how long it would take for that answer or a facsimile thereof to surface......... There's one in every crowd. I get the feeling there is more than one here. Its from breathing all that rod varnish.
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Flyman615 |
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Kidding aside, my comment results from temporarily owning, and then quickly getting rid of, several British rods over the years. All in a concerted effort
to find one that would fish to this American's tastes.
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czkid |
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I on the other hand have several wonderful UK rods as well as some outstanding continental sticks as well. One exceptional advantage of the "not invented
here" syndrome is that you can generally find some fine rods at good prices. Both my wife and I love the Constable rods, as well as some of the Hardy
rods. Of course as some others have said they are absolutely worthless as evidenced by the number of them that have sold over the years.
Try them, you'll probably be pleasantly surprised. Ralph |
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pvansch1 |
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Ralph,
How about a little compare / contrast on their actions? From what I have read the Brittish tapers are a slower actioned rod more in line with a "wet fly" taper. full loading rods. American tapers are "dry fly" and faster actioned in the tip. Thanks Pete
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czkid |
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Many of the newer Brit tapers are parabolic, i.e. Constable. Some of the very old tapers were slower... just like the US tapers. But most of the stuff that
came over post WWII was very comparable to the US tapers. Some of the newer European tapers are exceedingly fast... too fast for my taste, but there is a nitch
for them. Others are comparable to US contemporary tapers, and others are parabolic. Just like the US, they are all over the map. The old adage applies, cast
it... if you like it... buy it.
You won't find any finer "production" sticks than some of the Hardy's, not all of them are to my taste, but some are. I've got a little Farlow 6ft that's a sweet little rod for the backcountry trickles, that our friend Marcus gave me. Mr. Schlecht's rods are some of the finest casting rods with exceptional workmanship you'll ever see... and that goes for Hildebrandt as well. You just can't label them...... Ralph |
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pvansch1 |
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Cool, understood!
Pete
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Ken M 44 |
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Talking of 'vintage rods' the main problem is often in the translation - in the US you say 'fly rod' and pretty well always mean 'dry fly
rod' - 50 years ago or more in the UK you would say 'fly rod' and (apart from a very small percentage) mean 'fishing rod' - basically a
general rod suitable for wet fly and occasionally a freelined worm or minnow, possibly even a fly-spinner. These rods were generally slower and softer actioned
to suit the range of general fishing uses because so few people could get onto the very small amount of chalk stream dry fly fishing available but because they
had fly rod reel seats they get into the secondary market as 'fly rods' ... there are exceptions as I know Ralph and others also know very well - many
are specifically modelled for the US market and are very fine rods at very attractive prices. I would not hesitate to recommend the shorter Farlow's or
Sharpes (and not because I have a Farlow's Midge for sale or because Ralph already mentioned them) or some of the faster Hardy rods (Marvels, Phantoms,
etc.) and there are quite a few others but as Ralph said you really need to try before you buy or buy from someone who knows what they are telling you if you
are looking at older rods.
After the time period of these slow rods came a period of bulk production for sale at a specific price point (especially post war) - most were simple and fairly straight tapers and are basic workmanlike rods that would compare to lower end US made blue collar rods, and as with H&I, Monty and low end Heddons there are some out there that do a fine and suprisingly good job. I cannot give you a list as such because my taste is mostly in US made rods (apart from Tom Moran rods which are Garrison based tapers anyway) - as far as I know just about all of the recent and current british makers are using what will be familiar US based tapers so the more recent the rod the less likely there is for there to be an issue. For dry fly use some of the older rods are a heavy abomination but they were not really made to be much else. The parabolic influence is probably from locality and exposure to the mainly Ritz influenced rods by P&M and a degree of tax avoidence - import duties have always been an issue here and a lot of part built Pezon rods were finished here for sale as Sharpes and Farlows rods - not sure of the exact details but import duties vary between finished goods and components so bringing in components (say handled blanks) and finishing them off could save a very large amount of tax - also Sharpe's made impregnated blanks for a lot of familiar names and for rather a long time - so many of you may well be fishing with a UK rod and not even know it - Scott may even have one he likes after all
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Flyman615 |
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Sir Ken:
I'm afraid I don't even have a "pretender" lurking in my collection--at least anymore. That is, unless you count my late adopted Dad's Herter's St. Albans 8-footer. And although I've tried a couple of Cortland 444's by Sharpes; a very pretty rod by Falcon of Redditch-"The Kestrel", I believe; a Constable "Firefly"; a Farlow-Wilson International with the Ritz taper you mentioned; and a couple of Hardys with model names I can't remember, I don't currently possess any other British rods. But I'll tell you what...based on your learned recommendations, I'll keep looking! Best, Scott
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Ken M 44 |
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Scott,
Interesting that you mention the Falcon 'Kestrel' rod - I do own (but do not fish) one of those rods in minty condition - it was presented to my Father for teaching the company owner's children when were living in the Redditch area. I think that if it ever became public a list of US rod makers that bought Sharpe's or Chapman's UK made blanks and sold them under their name would make interesting reading. I do like some of the slower actioned rods and find them very relaxing to fish with - admittedly they are not UK made rods - 3 x early Leonard's and a very early Payne. I do have a minty 9' 7w Milwards Flycraft that would be a good steelhead rod but cannot think of much that I would want or choose to buy or recommend for small dries, it is worth keeping and eye out though - if you find one to your taste they are generally going to be at a very good price. |
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