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Posts: 174 10/25/2008 12:21 |
Rick, remember our conversation a few years ago where I expressed my belief that the Brandin rods would be the next Gillums? Supply and demand.
It seems that my current rod that is being made has already escalated in value, on paper at least. 
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Trout120 |
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Posts: 869 10/25/2008 17:04 |
May I ask the price you'll be paying - the price at the time of order or the price when the rod is finished?
Thanks, T120 |
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Posts: 701 10/25/2008 18:34 |
Hey Dave;
I do remember and that, very good insight on your part but I don't think this sets a new price on Brandin's as the eBay purchase was done purely to help out Tom and this was a one of a kind rod. I think you know who the buyer is right? Also don't forget the Wojnicki rods!!! If Brandin's are the new Gillum's then Mario's rods will be right next to them  .....and somewhere in a small basement work shop there's a no name rod builder making the
next masterpiece!!!
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Alaric11 |
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Posts: 40 10/25/2008 19:50 |
Congrats to Per for his marketing prowness,Someone wrote this earlier and it could be (but need not be so take it easy) interpreted as a rather backhanded compliment. Mr Brandin's rods are valuable NOT because of some "marketing" that he has pulled off via some kind of manipulation but because they are and he is unique. He is a thoughtful intellectual in a world that doesn't do "nuance" and he is passionately dedicated to his craft. He paid his dues during the apprentice phase and then moved on to producing the highest quality rods with a great deal of innovation. He is simply the finest living maker in the "New Golden Age" of bamboo. I suspect he doesn't give a damn about the prices of his rods or their marketing (this is revealed in his ethical decision to take no further orders) and that they are a steal at $8,000 since a beaten Gillum will fetch that. They hopefully meant "prowess" unless I accidentally quoted a boat building forum. 
Cheers, Alaric11
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Posts: 1870 10/25/2008 20:23 |
Alaric11 wrote: Hi Alaric11 - I'd be curious as to the basis upon which you make this claim. If I think about who I think is the "finest living rodmaker", I have a mental list of a dozen or so potential rodmakers - but no definite front runner - do you own a bunch of Brandins? Just curious....... Cheers CC |
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Posts: 258 10/25/2008 20:32 |
I'd suspect the critical ingrediant for Per's rods to escalate to Gillum status is for him to join Pinky, he is niether old nor willing to go ....it
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Alaric11 |
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Posts: 41 10/25/2008 20:41 |
Well, of course my assertion is a rhetorical device used to parry a thrust which seemed to be saying that the value of the rods was some mere
"mirage" of marketing. So, he may well NOT be the greatest living maker. He is, however (IMO) quite a rare commodity in that he is deeply thoughtful
and artistic maker. I base this on hearsay and hence this, too, may be an indefensible assertion. I own no rods and was sad to discover it was too late to
order one. I own 3 Maurers, 2 Carlins (with two in the works), a Gorman is due in 2 weeks, a McDowell in spring and I am sucessfully on Jim Reams' list.
So, my words were bold and indefensible in terms of logical or empirical demonstration. Indeed, they go beyond the bounds of my personal experience or
expertise (none). They may nevertheless be true (true of all assertions).
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Posts: 870 10/25/2008 20:51 |
Sorry Alaric11. Typo. I meant prowess which means skill.
I agree, Per's rods are excellent. I think the 8K is a little much. Not sure if it had that much to do with being Tom's rod though. When you have an expensive item that is in demand, and the demand is greater than the supply, along with the manufacturer of it slowing down production for ANY reason, you don't think that item will go up in value for people that want one real bad? Look at the oil situation. They cut production, prices go up, people still want it and will pay for it. This doesn't entirely hold true right now because of the global money situation. People have been cutting back. But the people that have the bucks will still spend the bucks hence this rod going for such a high price, along with other Brandin rods. As someone else said and I'm sure Per would agree, along with Marc, Bob, Walt, Ron, and many other famous and great makers, they have a long way to go to attain the status of a Gillum, Payne, etc. Trout120 |
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Alaric11 |
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Posts: 42 10/25/2008 21:09 |
Certainly to "attain the status" they may need to pass from the world of the living. I just wonder (again no way to prove this and not even sure I
wish to claim that this assertion is the case--I simply WONDER) if maybe Brandin and others simply are making better rods than those great predecessors. That
doesn't lessen the achievements of those earlier makers. Why better? Better adhesives, better aesthetic choices (since in a sense the rods are now works of
high craft if not art that are consciously part of a great tradition), better taper tweaking (could simply be a function of more time to experiment and apply
Garrison style analysis). The foregoing was not meant as an exhaustive list just an ad hoc one. I just suspect that
100 years from now people will be saying "wow those rods were a real bargain". I agree that at $8,000 there has been some "irrational
exuberance" figured into the price, but not by more than 15-20 %.
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Trout120 |
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Posts: 872 10/25/2008 21:14 |
Hi Alaric11,
Have you ever seen an original Jim Payne up close? It's breathtaking and he achieved his status while he was still alive. T120 |
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David Dornblaser |
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Posts: 182 10/25/2008 21:20 |
I would like re-ask a question that has been asked a couple of times in this thread but hasn't been answered: what have current purchasers, within the last
few months, paid for a Brandin rod? I think knowing the current price would help put this thread into perspective for some of us.
- David www.UpperMidwestFlyFishing.com - fly fishing in the Upper Midwest. Spring Creeks to Smallies to Steelhead. |
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 firehole |
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Posts: 3527 10/25/2008 22:01 Local user |
I just looked at Per's site and he sold two shop hex rods 834-2 HB with 1 tip each as a package for $4500. I read his newsletter and noticed he made
mention of the our gathering at the Henry's Fork Lodge in Aug and our casting get together on the Fork. He said two rods really stood out when he was
casting a multitude of rods one was a Walton Powell 8' 5wt. and my Walt Carpenter(Prototype) Browntone Parabolic 7'1" 2/2 4wt. Per's casting
is like poetry in motion so smooth and powerful like his rods.
Dennis
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David Dornblaser |
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Posts: 183 10/25/2008 22:39 |
I Googled Per Brandin + rod and a very recent Boston Globe article said that the rods were selling for $4,950.00. I wonder how long the rod that was originally
listed for $5,500.00 has been for sale.
- David www.UpperMidwestFlyFishing.com - fly fishing in the Upper Midwest. Spring Creeks to Smallies to Steelhead. |
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bow river |
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Posts: 803 10/25/2008 22:49 |
David
i agree 100% in what your saying , i think if you really wanted a Brandin rod that it would not be to hard to get one for $5000 or even less , someone would sell for that price ,
Richard
Check out my web site for vintage reels & rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river http://bowriveradventures.googlepages.com/home |
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Trout120 |
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Posts: 873 10/25/2008 22:49 |
I also believe that folks are paying the rod prices (future rod prices) when they're finished.
So even though the article states $ 4950.00, what will it be 4 - 5 years from now? The way things are going are the current purchasers with rods on order willing to pay that kind of money? Do you think a maker should charge the price that's effective at the time of order? I do. T120 |
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HERMES2069 |
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Posts: 433 10/26/2008 08:03 |
I recently was speaking to Mike Spittler about my position on his list for a Hollow Built Quad. His price, currently for my rod is somewhere in the hi
$2000's. When he finishes my rod the price will be up to the middle $3000.00's. He only takes the deposit when he starts your rod. You pay the going
rate. What will a Brandin rod cost 6 years from now?
When you order a rod you should tell the maker the rod length, weight, and any other characteristics you want. .Depending on the blanks he is constructing at the time. Your rod may be ready before you anticipate. Phil |
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bow river |
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Posts: 806 10/26/2008 08:10 |
that don't sound all that fair to me , you send in a deposit for a rod , i think when you do that it's for the price of the day , if not then i think
i'd just pay the whole amount up front , and if that was not good enough then i'd pass on having that builder make me a rod ,
Richard
Check out my web site for vintage reels & rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river http://bowriveradventures.googlepages.com/home |
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BluDun55 |
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Posts: 57 10/26/2008 13:27 |
Classic Rod Values...
As part of my research for the Halstead paper I published this year, I learned (from a dealer that you all would recognize) that a 6 ft. Halstead originally owned by the actor Robert Montgomery sold in 1994 for $6000 to a gentleman who then sold his collection at Lang's in 11/07 (to benefit a Jimmy Carter charity).The dealer estimated the current (2007) value at $12,000- $15,000! The new buyer (the same person who bought this Brandin rod) obtained the Halstead gem for $4000 plus an $800 total buyer's premium as it was purchased on-line. This owner turned it back to Lang's for re-sale this past Spring (who knows why, it doesn't matter) at which time it was purchased for $3750 + $750 in fees. My point is that a classic rod's value depends on the moment and who's in the hunt for that rod at that time. I have been in bidding contests for high end rods with the winner of the Brandin rod. This person takes no prisoners (see John Tainter Foote's "Fatal Gesture") and is willing, and apparently able, to pay any amount for any rod he/she wants. Good for that person and especially good for Tom Morgan who benefitted significantly by the sale of this rod. Who knows what this Per Brandin rod will bring in 10 years? The answer... No one knows.
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poudre1 |
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Posts: 176 10/26/2008 13:46 |
David Dornblaser wrote: Simple enough, check out his web site. These prices reflect the price of a rod currently being built. http://brandin-splitcane.com/catss.html Dave |
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David Dornblaser |
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Posts: 185 10/26/2008 15:01 |
Dave,
I don't think those prices are current. I don't believe that Per's website has been updated since he stopped taking orders. - David www.UpperMidwestFlyFishing.com - fly fishing in the Upper Midwest. Spring Creeks to Smallies to Steelhead. |
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