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jlk	Goodwin Granger Victory		Lead	[-]
Posts: 65 12/09/2008 13:09	Tags : None I just acquired a very nice Goodwin Granger 8'6" Victory rod. In COLORADO CLASSIC CANE it says that the Victory series was introduced in 1935 and used the new uplocking nickle-silver seat. This one though has the older downlocking slideband seat. Does anyone know whether the Victory series was introduced earlier than 1935, or if some models were offered with the slideband seat? The rod has a short (5 1/2") thick grip, and you can find a picture of it on Per Brandin's website (www.brandin-splitcane.com) under "Rods Currently in Stock." Thanks in advance, John
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AKSalmo57		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 50 12/09/2008 14:18	From what I have read and understood the rods with the sliding bands were the earlier versions of the Victory model. Granger used up the old stock first. I have an 8040 and a 8642 Victory models both with sliding bands. Hope this Helps, Rick
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teter		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1128 12/09/2008 14:31	John, That's a nice find. Lon
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Flyman615	S/B Victorys	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2997 12/09/2008 15:30	Some of the early Granger Victorys did indeed have the second era slide band reelseat and short "Coke bottle" grip. I also have an 8642 so configured in my collection. And IMO the orange/black jasper with double black tipping is one of Granger's most attractive wrap patterns. I think you'll really like your "new" rod. Regards, Flyman
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oldschoolcane	Granger 8642	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 71 12/10/2008 11:22	I also just purchased an 8-1/2 foot Granger/Wright McGill. Its not in fishable condition but I plan to get it there, not the Victory.....the label thats left reads only stream, so its the Stream & Lake WM and the reelseat reads Goodwin Granger. My question is about the seat, most appear to be sterling silver but this seat looks like real shiny chrome? When did they begin using chrome seats? Tim
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jlk		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 66 12/10/2008 12:08	Thanks to everyone for the information and encouragement. As for the chrome seat, I've read in CCC that the Registered series used chrome seats, though it seems unlikely they'd use the same seats on the Registered and Stream and Lake series.
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Flyman615	Plated Granger seats	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3000 12/10/2008 12:31	Plated brass reel seats on Goodwin Granger rods date briefly from the 1941-42 period before the shop was shut down by the War Production Board. I have both up lock and slide band examples in my collection. Nickle silver was not available due to to the war effort, thus the temporary change. These wartime seats were, however, somewhat different in appearance from the chromium plated up lock reel seats used on the early Granger Registereds like my 1939 example. I am no metallurgist, but the plating is quite different in color when the seats are compared side-by-side. (I provided some photos of the various Granger up lock reel seats in a post a few months ago. Perhaps it's still in the Forum archives.) I do not recall having seen any plated Wright & McGill-marked reel seats, however, but I'll have to double check on that. Wright and McGill, of course, took over in 1946, after the war, and perhaps had some "leftover" wartime plated seats to use up before resuming production of the nickle silver reel seats. At least that would be my guess. Best, Flyman Last Edited By: Flyman615 12/10/2008 19:52. Edited 2 times.
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nativebrownie		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 599 12/10/2008 18:01	Flyman, Totally agree about the Victory wrappings with the double black tipping - beautiful. One of my favorite rods to pull out and visit on winter nights is a GG 9050 Victory - all original - and very striking, indeed. NB
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Telecaster.jefffsbeardboard		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 24 12/10/2008 18:05	Did any of the Wright McGill era Victory's have the black tipping or was this only on the Granger rods? If so, any idea what year they stopped wrapping them like that? Thanks, Dan
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Flyman615	Black Tipped Victorys	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3001 12/10/2008 19:48	Yes, the early W&M Victorys had black tipping, but it was later dropped--in the early 1950's. Other Granger grades also had simplifications to their wraps, the DeLuxe and Favorite come to mind, in an effort, no doubt, to reduce costs and production time. Best again, Flyman
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Telecaster.jefffsbeardboard		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 25 12/10/2008 20:09	Thanks Flyman. That's interesting...so is it safe to assume then that a Victory without the black tipping, and with the shaft markings reading away from the grip, dates to probably 50 or 51? And would it also be safe to assume that a Favorite with shaft markings reading toward the grip was made after 51 and would therefore have simpler wraps than the model once did? Thanks for the help, Dan
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Flyman615	Dating W&M Grangers	#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3002 12/10/2008 20:35	Dan: Frankly there are several other variables that could be used to date Wright & McGill Grangers too. I would add to your list the style/size of the rubber stamped markings (for "Wright & McGill" and the grade, e.g. "Granger Victory"); as well as the details/construction of the famous up lock n/s reel seat (there were several variations). As to the direction of said inked markings--running either towards or away from the grip--I am frankly not sure which is earlier and which is later or if they indeed correlate at all. I will have to check the many W&M rods in my collection and/or defer to Michael Sinclair or Mike Clark/The Pink Panther, the real experts in this area. As for the modifications to the Favorite wraps, this amounted to reducing significantly the number of yellow intermediate and trim or signature wraps. The only way I've found to define the changes is to lay a Goodwin Granger/early W&M side by side with a later (1951-1952) Favorite of the same length and count the wraps. The difference is readily apparent. I hope this rather esoteric information/discussion is of help in some way! Regards, Scott
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nativebrownie		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 601 12/10/2008 20:50	Flyman, Much appreciated info... Did Grangers vary at all over the years as to which flat contained the stamp? I have one seemingly original with the markings on the flat even with where the reel seat would be mounted. NB
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Telecaster.jefffsbeardboard		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 26 12/10/2008 20:54	I'm not sure it's helped but I appreciate the info. As you guessed I'm trying to date some rods (a Victory and 2 Favorites). I read here http://home.comcast.net/~...e/vintage_rod_history.htm that the shaft markings were changed in about 51 to read toward the grip as opposed to away from the grip. I was trying to combine this with the simplification of the wraps to narrow down a date. I'm not sure it really matters much anyway...I was just curious. BTW, sorry for hi-jacking this thread.
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Flyman615		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3003 12/10/2008 21:38	NB/Dan: I am glad you found this discussion somewhat useful and/or of interest. There was some definite standardization of the location of the Granger stamped ink markings, but their location was not absolute. If you think about it, the probable turnover of personnel in the Granger shop coupled with the relatively large numbers of Granger rods produced most likely led, in my opinion, to many subtle variations in details such as the aforementioned markings, and even to signature wraps and grips as well, in my experience. For example, I have a W&M 8040 Victory that's clearly marked twice "Granger Victory" on separate flats, but is missing the "Wright & McGill" marking completely. I would surmise meticulous quality control was not a huge priority, especially on the lower grade rods. That said, by and large I think Granger's overall quality was unmatched for "production" rods. Finally, I, for one, think it is very difficult to definitively date all Wright and McGill Granger rods to a specific year or portion thereof, and I'm not going try to do so. Especially without seeing the rod(s) in person. Just my $.02. BTW, I also intend no "hijack"...only an expansion on the original Victory question. Best, Flyman Last Edited By: Flyman615 12/10/2008 22:29. Edited 2 times.
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Telecaster.jefffsbeardboard		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 27 12/10/2008 22:23	You know, I never thought to check the Granger Registered database for this but the breakpoint, as far as the direction of the shaft markings, is between serial #'s 1949215 and 1949220.
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