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caddisman3 |
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In the Feb edition of Outside magazine theres a story about a new movie based on the book"The River Why"sounds like it could be a good one,though it
certainly won't do David Duncans novel justice but still may make a neat movie.Get ready to see thousands of well intensioned young trout bum wannabees on
your local trout streams. Karl
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Kenov |
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Duncan is suing the producers of the movie and plans to make his own version. The Fall 2008 issue of The Drake has an interesting story on this.
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Groan.
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uintaangler |
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David James Duncan is right at the top of my list of well-known people I would like to fish with. Anybody ever fish with him?
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I'm all for the movie. After working with politicians, engineers and developers (or against them, as the case may be) for most of my career, I've seen
some ugly stuff pushed by folks who don't understand the value of land. There's an awful lot of people out there that have no appreciation for open
land or understand why preservation is so important. Many of these people have spent no time in the outdoors - Land is worth money and its only use is for
building. If the movie gets some kids in their 20's (or older suburbanites) into fishing, than I'm for it. Even if they don't stick with it,
they'll spend some time on a trout stream and maybe learn why they're special. If just a small percentage of them sees the light, I'll
take it. The more of them we can get on our side and into board rooms, the better. I'm usually the first one to complain about Hollywood, but I'll
take this one. (I wish they'd make a good movie showing the virtues of hunting too.)
I'm not looking forward to the crowds either, but I see it as a worth while trade off. (Not to mention that there are groups out there that are trying to do away with fishing.) Hard to believe, but I want to build our numbers. Sorry for the rant, being in the transportation business is frustrating as hell...
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Here's a link to this movie discussed in a previous post http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku.com/topic/15439 . According to the Outside article, the
lawsuit has been settled and the Cohen version is going forward and Duncan still plans to release his own version. I'm looking forward to seeing them
both. More conservation minded fly-fisherman would be a good thing for everyone.
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"The River why" is one of my favorite books and I'm glad the Cohen Brothers version is going forward. It should be entertaining as their past
movies have been excellent ("Fargo", "The Big Lebowski" and "No Country for Old Men" come to mind.
Those old fishermen: They're slow-moving and crabby and some of them talk to themselves, but they can catch trout.
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It is the Coen brothers that did those movies you listed. The screenplay for The River Why was written by Thomas Cohen and John Jay Osborn, Jr. per http://www.imdb.com/title...41329/fullcredits#writers . Jeff Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! |
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Kenov |
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Glad to hear both movies are going forward. Thanks for the update, Bill O. I, too, will be a happy camper if it turns out the American public loves a story
about spirituality, "nature," and flyfishing, even if it does mean a few more people on the waters. But maybe that's just the religion professor
in me talking.
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No more flyfishing movies.............I understand more people "aware" and "needed for conservation" and stuff like that but WAY to many
people have been introduced to flyfishing and now the rivers are polluted with people..!!......thats how i feel about it but Im always willing to
listen...........!
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Chartist1 |
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Polluted with people? Puhleeze. You wanna see real people polution, go to an Erie tributary steelhead fishing in October.....
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whatsleft2 wrote:Perhaps where you live, but that's not the case in Pennsylvania, and I assume the rest of the Eastern US. License sales have been declining for years, which is having a serious impact on the PA Fish & Boat Commission. It's very apparent on the streams, which have far less pressure than in the 1990s. Almost all wildlife conservation in this country is funded by sportsmen through license fees and the Pittman-Robertson Act--makes you wonder how it will continue without recruitment from the younger generation. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see them leaving their video games anytime soon...
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Armchair Angler |
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I understand not wanting anymore fisher folks. I hate driving hours and finding a bunch of guys in the stretch I intended to cover too and I hate the idea of
fish with scared up mouths but I just see so much reckless development and the folks I deal with just don't care - Actually its not that they don't
care, they just don't think about it or understand and appreciate. Its going to take a lot more than a movie to change this mind set. It would be naive
to think that the answer to urban sprawl is a bunch of new fishermen spurred from a movie. Even if all the trout streams were packed spring, summer and fall,
its still a small fraction of the population, but I'd certainly like to see more and maybe get a few allies on the other side of the table. Its something.
And like Greg said, I've noticed the numbers are way down on the local streams. The destination rivers may still be crowded. I've heard that the
license sales have been declining as well. We need to get young people on the stream - some how, some way.
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Curley.thebamboorodroom |
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uintaangler wrote: I had the wonderful luck of getting to do
an interview with Mr. Duncan while going to school at U of Idaho in Moscow, Idaho, for the Bloomsbury Review. I stopped at the Lochsa Lodge to call him and let
him know I was almost there. He said, "The Gray Drakes are coming off right now! I'd really like to go fish for them. Do we have time to do that
before the interview? (Yes I said). Good. Then hurry up and get here. (a pause). Drive safe. But, hurry up!" I drove as fast as possible, shook hands with
Dave, then jumped in his car and hit the river. I have since gotten to know him well, and he has been a tremendous help with my writing carreer, and just a
good friend, and amazing human being. I posted an exerpt from the interview below, with a link to the published interview, below that. I'll try to get some
photo from that day posted soon. I get shivers reading this! Good stuff.
By Zac Sexton David James Duncan's muscles twitch in excited expectation. We have just assembled our fly rods and are walking along a western Montana river, hoping we have not missed the Gray Drake hatch. Duncan's gaze is locked straight ahead, scanning the river. His focus cannot be broken. He jolts forward, then eases back into step with me. A minute squeaks by. He has had enough."Are you ready to run?" he asks. "Sure," I reply. "Let's go." And Duncan begins to dash downstream. I stumble behind, not sure of where we are going, but now quite aware that every minute counts during a Gray Drake hatch. Duncan, born in Portland, Oregon, in 1952, graduated from Portland State University in 1973 with a B.A. in English. He is the author of two classic novels, The River Why and The Brothers K. He has also written two compilations of stories and essays, River Teeth, and his most recent, My Story as Told by Water, as well as other short stories, memoirs, and essays. My Story as Told by Water is the reason we run along the river to fish. Duncan is a river, meandering with purpose, to free his holy, coursing life-givers: rivers. The river we fish and Duncan himself are a confluence that gives life to his books.My Story as Told by Water is a compilation covering the 10 years Duncan spent in an effort to protect his home waters. The stories are divided into three sections: "Wonder Versus Loss," "Activism," and "Fishing the Inside Passage." Each section completes Duncan's wish to express "the joy that living with healthy rivers and streams has always given [him]," while maintaining a narrative, sometimes humorous flow. My Story as Told by Water was a National Book Award finalist in nonfiction for 2001; winner of the 2001 Western States Book Award for nonfiction; winner of a Montana Arts Council Literary fellowship and a Pushcart Prize; and one of his essays was selected for the 2001 anthology The Best Spiritual Writing.When we reach the spot Duncan wants to fish, we must
stoop to calm ourselves from the mad dash in chest waders. The spot is a bend in a side channel of the river. Duncan points out the hiding areas of various
fish he has known. I go where I am told and wait for fish to start rising as Duncan slips downstream to the next hole. Fish begin to surface, and Duncan's
casts fling holy water around him. His rod keeps a beat like the poetry of his prose, and he lives another story as told by water.
David James Duncan: Wonderful questions, both of them. Deep. Troublesome.Words form imaginative shapes. The number of conceivable shapes is infinite. The variety of shapes is also infinite-and phantasmagoric. Any skein of words you write in serial order will let you add some scribbles to the infinite Phantasmagoria. But it does not enable you to tell a story. This is because stories are not phantasmagoric. The imaginative shapes in stories reflect both spirit and matter. Stories are spirit and matter at play. The authenticity of our words is rooted in the authenticity of physical and spiritual experience, in the physical world, and in our actions in the physical world. You know you've lived a story the same way you know you have loved something or someone, or spontaneously respected something or someone. The authenticity of any good story is rooted in love and respect. Dark stories, too. Dark stories portray this same love
and respect distorted or betrayed.
For me, the movement of most any admirable piece of
long prose is not just "like" that of a river: it's the same movement. Our progression through a good novel is like a float down a good western
river, which gives you rapids, riffles, runs, deep eddies, and fathomless pools in succession. These geophysical features create a rhythm. The best prose
reflects the same rhythms. Have you ever seen Norman Maclean's four axiomsfor prose writers?
Our prose rhythms are as much a part of our riverine bodies as the rhythm of our breathing, our heartbeats, our brainwaves, our love thrusts. In the beginning the spirit of God moved across the face of the waters. Prose rhythms put us in contact with this innermost face. They are, as you put it, water helping us tell our story. http://www.bloomsburyrevi...s/2003/David%20Duncan.pdfI took the below photos during our fishing trip. They are photos of photos, as I only have the prints (remember film?), and took photos of them with my digital SLR. I've never seen more than another photo or two of him fishing--this might be the largest, published pictoral of DJD on a stream! Hope you enjoy.
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When is the movie"The River Why" available?
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I read that story in The Drake. Great article.
The Drake is actually a pretty nifty fly fishing magazine, for that matter. I have my trepidations about the movies. Mostly because I can't stand movies that get made about good books, especially ones that I really like. The only movie I ever saw that was better than the book was Forrest Gump, and that's mostly because I thought the book was pretty lame, and the movie has only the barest resemblance to it. That said, I have to admit: A River Runs Through It was pretty faithful to the printed work, maybe as good a job as I've ever seen done by a film based on an already well-written story. But if you were paying attention, you realize that ARRTI was only incidentally about fly fishing for trout. A movie based on The River Why, on the other hand...that's fraught with peril. Too much could go wrong. I practically feel like filing an injunction, just on general principles...because the more I think about it, the more I realize what a superb job Duncan did of weaving some really sublime themes together in that book. And movies- or even "films"- don't do "sublime" all that well, in my experience. Sordid, that they do well. Blood-spattered murder mysteries. The demimonde. Pulp fiction. Subject matter roughly a trillion light-years from the thematic interplay of Romantic Pantheism with Creation Spirituality that, for me, comprises the principal appeal of The River Why. Subject material that I fully expect to find warped into unrecognizability, if it's included at all. And I don't even want to think about how the Love Interest angle is liable to get handled, in either of those movies. Duncan did a superb job of crafting characters and a storyline that come as dangerously close to being the male analogue of romance-novel "chick lit" as a novelist could ever get, without having it be a piece of hackwork that collapses into a treacly morass of unrequited het-guy fantasyland. That's part of what makes the book work, it's het guylit...maybe the only het guylit I've ever read (unless you count porn, of course), with the girl, Jerry, emblematic of the Idealized Feminine of Courtly Love, right out of the pages of Chretien de Troyes, or maybe Robert Hunter...a high-wire act that somehow manages to be both sensual and chaste. Although it isn't it's only accomplisment, The River Why is the only modern novel I've ever read that has strong overtones of being a romance novel for dudes, that actually works. (Lolita? Cleverly crafted exploitation. The Fountainhead? A 2-D comic book. Cyrano de Bergerac? Haven't read it. [edit] All The King's Men. Okay- there's another one.) Wisely, Duncan closes out the book just after the young couple becomes newlyweds, knowing that as far as delivering the Romance, it will never get any better than that. The moveez, on the other hand, will probably focus on whatizname's opening encounter with the Dame Geraldine Berners Godiva or whoever, nubility personified, angling as she is skyclad in her sumptuous birthday suit, by lingering on every glorious visual detail to a degree that will leave only enough to the imagination to retain an "R" rating. Also knowing that it will never get any better than that. As far as delivering the eye candy, anyway. What the two separate "film treatments" will do before and after that scene in order to justify the films' existence in terms of doing justice to Duncan's book, I can't begin to imagine.
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whatsleft2 wrote: Fishing alone is the very best. Save fellowship for church or the board here. I tank youse.
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Zac, that was an outstanding interview. It helps that you asked some really good questions, and showed familiarity with Duncan's work. He's obviously
someone who's capable of providing very eloquent replies when he's on topics that he's passionate about. Makes for the best kind of interview- a
few sincerely interested questions and follow-ups, and the rest takes care of itself.
One thing that really got to me was when Duncan pointed out that the natural world of coastal Oregon temperate rain forest that provided the setting for The River Why is, 25 years later...gone. Clear-cut to the bank.
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I think I'll wait to see the film before I give it a thumbs down,or up!
Bob
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Freestoner brings up some excellent points about the book. And all of us hold strong and justifiable reservations about Hollywood doing anything other than
producing their own usually off target ideas about what will appeal to the largest number of ticket buyers. We all have selective memories, and being fishermen
we remember most vividly Duncan's lyrical descriptions of the river environs and experience. But "The River Why" and his second outstanding work,
"The Brothers K" are much richer and broader in scope than what we conciously dredge up from our memories and that is due to Duncan's skills as
an author. Both books take a topic the author knows intimately(baseball in case you haven't read "Brothers") and build themes intricately
interwoven that cover everything from marriages, family relationships, friendships, the grace of children and the need to teach them, politics, the politics of
conservation and the environment and on and on.
Remember Gus' father, the elitist pedantic flyfisherman? And his mom, the Western ranchgirl worm drowner? Maybe a bit of one or the other or both in each of us. Funny as Hell characters and their constant sniping at each other sounds awfully familiar yet by the end of the book they've achieved a unique resolution to their issues that results in them both being better and happier people. Gus' pals "along the way", including a certain dog, also have some valuable things to contribute. And the kids from the farm down the road; sure reminded me of what sweet creatures we start out as and how, with a bit of adult guidance and a lot of love, what amazing human beings we can turn out to be. So, is the movie going to create a huge new flood of high tech wannabe Type A personality clones clogging our(and equally their) beloved waters? I doubt it. Is either movie going to do the book full justice? Probably not. Even with the best possible screenplay, directing and acting because cinema is a very different medium than the written word and with books you can pause and put down while with movies there is only so much time your ass can tolerate in a theatre seat.
So, when the film hits town I'm going to see it. Doubt it will change my life but bet I will be entertained. Pax. Ken "I strive to ensure that my amazement at the beauty and complexity of the natural world and of the individual people who surround me always outweighs my dismay." Gordon Kennedy |
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Curley.thebamboorodroom |
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Freestoner: Thank you! I was pretty nervous about the whole project, but it ended up to be an amazing experience. I'm happy you noticed :-) One thing I
wasn't happy about was my own discovery of the clear cuts DJD mentioned in the interview. I didn't truly understand what he was talking about at the
time, as I had never been to Oregon. This last Fall and the previous Summer, I fished all over the state looking for Cutthroat trout. On one particular trip, a
couple friends and I hiked about three miles in to a wilderness in the first set of mountains from the Pacific Ocean. It was beautiful, but the trees seemed
smaller than they should be. I took a closer look, and I noticed many trees were growing out of stumps 4'-7' in diameter! And I wondered what the place
must have looked like with those behemoths along the river. I never did find a place that hadn't been logged. I think I fished easily 12 streams, and drove
along many more. Not one virgin forest :-(
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