On 02/02/09 I posted a sincere inquiry about this reel I am considering purchasing. I just wanted information I lack about the reel's history; how it was
named; connection to the river in Canada, among other information. I never intended the storm which ensued, nor the responses. I did not expect my post to be
deleted. I am confused, disappointed, and dumfounded. Not only have I not received the information I was seeking, I was slighted and embarrased. Will I ever
receive an objective response or an explanation? WOW!
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My Post: Hardy Cascapedia history/background
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Posts: 2362 02/04/2009 10:16 Moderator |
Speyed -
You had asked about the current Cascapedia MKIIs .....I took the time to send you a PM after the thread was deleted that indicated based on information from another member......"they were unveiled at the (Sept) 2005 dealers show" My speculation is that the MkII was brought back because Hardy's saw a market for "S" handled reels.....I have no other insight regarding the MkII. They were first made in the UK, and recently production has been shifted to Korea. The original Cascapedia was made in extremely limited numbers in the 1930s and was named after the the famous Grand C. in Canada. Mark B
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Posts: 4308 02/04/2009 11:26 Moderator |
Speyed I sent you a PM.
Pete
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Posts: 225 02/04/2009 12:47 |
speyed wrote: Before you buy either the UK or Korean one you might want to check out the weight of them. They are extremely heavy, the small reel weighs 6.5oz without any line or backing. The rest of the line goes up in weight from there. You might want to look at a peerless reel if you are looking for a S handle reel. They are lighter and the extra bonus is they are made in the USA!
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Posts: 1075 02/04/2009 13:31 |
speyed
the first one they made is worth huge money , something like $20,000 , then they made a repro of the reel and it came with black leather case and white glove , you can sometimes get lucky and pick one up for less then $2000 , then came the reel we see now and it was first made in england and was fetching about $700 and now they moved that same reel to korea and you can get that reel for less then $400 , yes the reel was named after a famous salmon river here in canada , so i'm told and i beleave it , the river is in quebec , i hope this might help you some on what your looking for , and sometimes we get a little side tracked on what is the main topic , it's a long long winter and please stick around with us , we are a good bunch ,
Richard
Check out my web site for vintage reels & rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river http://bowriveradventures.googlepages.com/home |
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Posts: 97 02/04/2009 14:12 |
pvansch1 wrote:Thank you four gentlemen for your informative civil responses. |
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Posts: 226 02/04/2009 16:42 |
speyed wrote: your welcome, sorry about you feeling slighted and embarrassed that was not the intent. we were just ragging on the korean made reels not you. glad the info helped! |
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Posts: 158 02/04/2009 20:08 |
The myth is that one of the Hardys envied a Julius Von Homfe, Restigouche, copied the look and named it after another big Salmon river on the Gaspe Bay of
Quebec.
This area is known for summer and fall runs of big brutish salmon on dry fly bomber patterns.
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Posts: 70 02/05/2009 05:22 |
Persaud wrote: It is no secret that the Hardy Cascapedia is copied from EVH Tobique, and I guess it was more a try to get a foot into the lucrative US marked, than envie. Strange enough - EVH had a "Cascapedia" for a short while, so perhaps the two companies made some sort of cooperation I don't know, but some believe that some sort of deal must have been made (due to EVH probably would have taken legal actions against Hardy for copying not only the design but also the name?) Reeldane |
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Posts: 86 02/05/2009 14:48 |
Reeldane wrote: I have always wondered why Hardy made so few of these reels and speculated that a law suit or threat of one from EVH may have been the reason....I had a chance to play with one that was in very high condition a number of years ago at a camp on the Grand C.....it was a beautiful reel....certainly of just as fine quality as any EVH, Zwarg or Walker.....maybe someone on this board knows the answer about this .... |
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Posts: 234 02/05/2009 16:18 |
Turners book states it was, "similar to many of the American models". Between 1932-36 the 3 1/8, 3 3/8, 3 5/8 were made and in
1937-39 the only sizes made were 3 5/8, 3 3/4. Seems to me that the buying interest was in the larger size but American competition was tough also.
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Posts: 470 02/05/2009 16:46 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
Of the 1931 - 39 Cascapedias - 113 were made; 70 with ebonite side plates and 43 with black anodised aluminium plates.
Apparently one sold in auction in the US in 1993 designated "The Tobique River" (assumed to be a one off (?) ) Info courtesy Drewetts, Hardy Bros |
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Posts: 123 02/05/2009 18:06 |
And here's the 1937 catalogue entry...
I've just noticed what a very expensive reel that is...at 165/- (£8.25) for the 3 3/4", where the 3 7/8" Perfect with agate was 52/6 (£2.65)!!
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Posts: 159 02/05/2009 18:31 |
Still not a bad ROI.
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Posts: 87 02/05/2009 22:49 |
Cadnorods wrote: Thank you so much for this picture...I never knew such a model of the Cascapedia existed......it just increases the mystery for me....it has reverse gears made to be fished on top like so many of the bait casters( and by 1937 would bet this was not made for an American/Canadian market)...and must be the earliest reel I have ever seen to be made with a solid housing done on the milling machine and not individual crossbars...And all this time I always thought Stan B did this first in the salmon reel world....but then again,,maybe the housing was cast like other Hardy reels and not done on a mill?,,,,but the picture doesn't look like that to me..and it's black as well....and with a perfect copy of the EVH drag lever on this model....the 2 Cascapedias I've had in my hands were much more like EVH Tobiques ....and alu sideplates in that era....I didn't know about that either.....thanks to all with knowledge beyond mine....would love to hear more on this subject... 
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Posts: 63 03/07/2009 15:58 |
I have dug out the article I did a few years back on this reel and Ed Zern and have posted it on my site.
Here is the link. |
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