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Posts: 185 03/02/2009 13:30 |
This looks interesting.
Has anyone had any real life experience with this? http://www.moffittangling.com/control/main They separate the fly and the hook. It looks odd, and I wonder how effective it would be at catching fish. |
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Posts: 696 03/02/2009 17:39 |
Looks crazy to me......I wonder if you can snag the fish in the eye.....................
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro... |
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Posts: 131 03/05/2009 07:17 |
I'm going to want more results from field testing.
The circle hookset seems to always be on the outside of the fish's mouth, often at the jaw skin. I'm not convinced it doesn't have the potential to do more damage by tearing the outside skin around the jaw than a standard hook does from hooking in the bony portion on the inside. The site also claims that standard fly hooks that get taken by fish produce a lot of hooksets in vulnerable, high mortality areas like the gill arch, esophagus, and tongue. I'm not saying I've never had that happen, but it's quite a rare occurence for me. I usually get the hookset just inside the jaw, at the corner of the mouth. And while it isn't very frequent, I'm not sure why they think a hookset on the tongue is very injurious, at least in adult fish. The tongue seems awfully tough and bony on most fish, and it doesn't bleed. It's intriguing. I could see how it might have advantages for some sorts of fishing, like swinging wets and streamers. But I'm not convinced it's inherently less injurious than using the standard J-hook. |
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Posts: 273 03/05/2009 10:22 |
I kinda like the flexibility of the system but agree that the use of a circle hook for trout is simply not required. Circle hooks are designed to hook directly
in the corner of a fishes mouth, and they are phenomenally good at that. In factwith larger fish it is impossible to hook them anywhere else. The primary goal
of a circle hook is to prevent gut hooking. A circle hook can be completely swallowed by a fish and will harmlessly pull out of the stomach, up the esophogus
and out to the mouth before hooking. The best demonstration of the circle hook set was done by a saltwater guy. He placed a bunch of snelled circle hooks
(pretty big, they were after Marlin) in a five gallon putty bucket. with the leader hanging over the side of the bucket. He then described a fishes take which
is almost 100% of the time immediately followed by a 90 degree turn (the fish follows the bait, slashes on the take and invariable turns to return to its
former position) When the fish turns the leader pulls the hook to the side of the mouth and the hook cannot set until it exits the mouth. He then proceeded to
challenge everyone on the boat to remove the hooks from the bucket by pulling them sideways, as if the bucket were swimming away. Bottom line is you simply
cannot avoid snagging the edge of the bucket.
This style of hook has dropped pelkagic mortality rates into the single digits and is one of the best possible conservation effort any sportsmean can take when tasrgeting fish prone to swallowing the bait or lure or fly. But we are talking about trout here, a small fish that rarely ever swallows the dry flies we predominately use. Even the nymphs rarely lodge deeper then the tongue. Any that do set deeper are simply cut off and the fish will pass the hook in a few days not much worse for the wear. I see the only real advantage to this system for trout and bass to be when using large streamers for large fish. In these cases the potential for damage is much higher simply due to the hooks size and the aggrewsion with which the fish takes a streamer. The large hook can easily set in the roof of the mouth, endangering both the fishes eye as well as the brain. So if you fish the salt for stripers tuna or marlin please immediately switch to circle hook patterns, but for size 18 BWO's or caddis pupae, J is the way. |
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Posts: 175 03/05/2009 11:46 |
In NY any fish that's not hooked IN the mouth is considered foul-hooked, and deliberate foul hooking of sport fish is illegal. An ECO I asked about this
"system" believed it violated the law, but no official word had come down from his superiors.
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Posts: 82 03/05/2009 13:56 |
I believe it could be construed as snagging, which is illegal in some states. I'd be afraid to try it in some areas. |
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Posts: 151 03/05/2009 14:24 |
I don't see any advantages in that.
In fact you have nylon both sides of the fly running through the eye of the hook When using a team of three the point fly is always better because it is only fixed to the fly at one point. We all know that don't we
www.nichobamboorods.com
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Posts: 43 03/05/2009 16:22 |
This would likely be considered foul hooking in Wisconsin as well. Not a big deal for me particularly, since I am 100% catch and release but it would still
be foul hooking the fish. If the hook were at the fly instead of dangling some 10" below it, that would eliminate a lot of the outside the mouth hookups.
I find it unlikely that a game warden in Wisconsin would enforce the foul hooking law with this style system if you were to keep a fish, but that does not
mean he couldn't if he wanted to.
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Posts: 275 03/06/2009 12:23 |
I don't quite understand the snagging angle, the hook still sets inside the fishes mouth, just in the corner like any other circle hook arrangement. The
hook is attached to the fly, it is really just a flexible tube fly. The whole point of the circle hook is that when you are using one it is absolutely
impossible to snag a fish, the hook can only set in one place, and it cannot even set there unless the fish has first taken the fly completely into the mouth.
Try this for an example, if you tied a J hook to a 20 foot piece of monofilament and the same size circle hook to another piece, and then drag them both across
a carpet, the J hook will snag the carpet every time, but the circle hook will just slide over it.
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Posts: 45 03/06/2009 13:58 |
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Posts: 84 03/06/2009 18:49 |
I'd rather not take a chance and get a fine, much less have my equipment confiscated because some wildlife agent disagrees and thinks it is snagging.
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