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 broadwater |
Phillipson Paramount 8 1/2' - NEW CLOSE-UPS OF THE MYSTERY BANDS . . . |
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Posts: 3 03/07/2009 22:25 |
Anyone familiar with this model? Are these 'bumps' on the bamboo some type of intermediates? I've never seen them on other Phillipson models, do
they belong on a Paramount?
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=56924803&albumID=790774&imageID=46010441 BB.
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paramount |
Re: Phillipson Paramount | #1 | ||
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Posts: 156 03/07/2009 23:57 |
Dont think they belong, havent seen that before on any Phillipson Paramount. But you never know. Bruce |
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Posts: 1242 03/08/2009 00:05 |
Repair wraps? |
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gooseberryrods |
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Posts: 587 03/08/2009 04:02 |
I have seen Granger rods sold by East Coast retailers that had intermediate wraps similar to the Phillipson. It is possible that Bill Phillipson established a
market while working at Granger and continued the business relationship with his new company. Is the rod marked with anything more than standard Phillipson
script on the butt section?
It looks like a nice rod. Scott |
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broadwater |
Colorado Classic Cane? | #4 | ||
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Posts: 4 03/08/2009 14:05 |
gooseberryrods wrote: Anyone have a copy of 'Colorado Classic Cane'? Maybe there's a reference to these 'special order' Grangers (and possibly Phillipsons)? 
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Posts: 3751 03/08/2009 14:33 Local user |
Those wraps are two thick unlike what you would see on a Granger Favorite. To me they appear to be add-ons after the rod was built. It almost appears whoever
added them on wanted to make the rod look like a Favorite but didn't come close. There's nothing in " Colorado Classic Cane ".
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Posts: 594 03/08/2009 14:55 |
I would agree with Dennis. Nice looking rod though.
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firehole |
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Posts: 3753 03/08/2009 15:25 Local user |
Here's a pic of a once owned W&M 8642 for comparison. The Paramount is very nice. Have fun fishing it.
Dennis 
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gooseberryrods |
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Posts: 588 03/08/2009 19:44 |
I would not rely solely on "Colorado Classic Cane" as the indicator for determining the originality of the Phillipson. The new owner claims the rod
was bought new in New York City by the original owner many years ago and that the rod has not been altered. The Granger Special I saw had one red intermediate
wrap placed equidistant between each pair of snake guides. BB, I think you have a very nice and all original Phillipson, and if you decide to sell it, you can
send it my way:)
Scott |
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broadwater |
Many Thanks | #9 | ||
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Posts: 5 03/08/2009 21:04 |
I really appreciate all the help from everyone! Hopefully I'll have the rod in hand in a couple of days and can closely examine the details. I'll try
to post some close-ups for anyone who's interested in offering their .02 - then the hard part - I'll have to decide whether or not to keep it!
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broadwater |
More Pics | #10 | ||
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Posts: 6 03/10/2009 00:13 |
Here are five close-ups - just click the link for the first pic, then click 'next' for the others. Seems to be a few irregularities . . .
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=56924803&albumID=2717967&imageID=46134981 I appreciate any and all input . . . |
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greg hall |
Mystery Paramount | #11 | ||
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Posts: 227 03/10/2009 11:54 |
I agree with Dennis (firehole). These intermediates were added later and not very professionaly at that. If you look at the close up photos you'll see that
they do not appear to be uniform width. A professional would not have done that. They also appear to be tranparent wraps. All that points to some post
production customizing in my opinion. Colorado Classic Cane may have some inconsistencies but speculative opinions or stories without documentation are worth
just what you paid for them. Other than the intermediates all the other wraps appear to be original and in great shape and yes they are really nice rods. My
favorite model Phillipson.
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gooseberryrods |
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Posts: 589 03/10/2009 13:01 |
Shawn- are the intermediate/decorative wraps the same width except for the ones closest to the ferrules? The Granger I saw that a dealer sold a few years ago
had wide intermediates like your rod. It also looks to me that the intermediates are "turf-tan" a color used by Mr. Phillupson. Without having the
rod in hand it is impossible for me to tell whether or not the rod is original or not. I am hoping someone else will weigh in regarding Colorado rods sold
through East Coast dealers which have intermediate/decorative wraps as a distinguishing. feature. I am trying to think "outside the book" here on
this one and I wouldn't expect my opinions to be held by the majority.
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firehole |
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Posts: 3766 03/10/2009 13:11 Local user |
IMHO the wraps are way too thick.
Dennis |
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gooseberryrods |
It's alll coming back to me... | #14 | ||
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Posts: 590 03/10/2009 14:02 |
I am pretty sure Bud Frasca (Northwest Classic T ckle) sold a Granger Special a few years ago that had wide intermediate/decorative wraps like Shawn's
Paramount. If anyone would know for sure it would be Bud since he spent a lot of time on the East Coast collecting bamboo and hanging around shops run by the
likes of Edwards and Payne. I am almost positive Bud's rod had written provenance on the tube label stating that it was sold be a retailer in New York or
Boston. I'd give him a call before you send the rod back. I still believe you may have a very rare rod in your hands and you should thoroughly research it
before dismissing it as non-original. The books and the experts have not revealed everything and there is still much being discovered.
Scott
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Posts: 228 03/10/2009 15:45 |
gooseberry,
Turf tan is the main wrap color on the Granger Aristocrat. Which Phillipson rod used that color? The wraps on this Paramount are transparent, you can see the resorcinal glue lines behind the wraps in the close up photos. I suspect the Granger Special you saw with red intermediates was either a Granger Denver Special or Colorado Special both of which had red wraps though I can't remember off hand which had the intermediates. |
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paramount |
NEW CLOSE-UPS OF THE MYSTERY BANDS . | #16 | ||
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Posts: 157 03/10/2009 15:49 |
Doesnt look original to me. IMHO.
Bruce |
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Posts: 591 03/10/2009 16:13 |
Hello Greg,
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Posts: 229 03/10/2009 17:12 |
gooseberry,
I'm sorry that you see the discussion as becoming "unfriendly". I don't believe that Granger and Phillipson only produced rods in their standard catalog wraps nor did I state that was so. I'm well aware that both Granger and Phillipson produced rods for certain retailers with different than standard wraps but the one's I've seen did not carry the standard grade or model names. I do however think it's a bit of a stretch to think that Phillipson would have added transparent intermediate wraps to a Paramount or that the rod would not carry some additional script that would indicate it was made for a specific retailer. True, there are many possibilities but if I were making any claims as to authenticity I would rather err on the side of caution and stick with what I see as reasonable probabilities. |
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czkid |
Hmmmmmmm!!! | #19 | ||
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Posts: 3891 03/10/2009 18:41 Moderator |
Or did the retailer do it?? They sure don't look like anything that would come out of the factory, but like the man says; "Who knows??"
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Posts: 230 03/10/2009 20:07 |
Ralph,
Did the retailer do it? Who knows? Right on both counts. The one thing that throws me is that the wraps are transparent and even though Garrison's wraps were transparent it seems to me that it would have been fairly uncommon back in the 50's and an odd choice even for a custom order. |
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