Could reel experts on this forum compare the Janciuras Perfection reel to the Saracione Perfection reel
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Janciuras vs. Saracione Perfection reels
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 Bogsterfly |
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Posts: 38 03/27/2009 18:53 |
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Eebarral |
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Posts: 37 03/27/2009 20:11 |
I have only held a Saracione Perfection at the Lang's auction last fall so I can speak only about the exterior, feel and the cosmetics of an older reel,
but they appear to be well made, very nice reels. I can however speak to of the insides, outsides and the maker of the Janciuras reels with first hand
knowledge and total confidence. Joe and I trade reels, information and techniques on a monthly if not weekly basis. There is no finer reel being made. I think
he is making a finer product than the origional Vom Hofe's! His cosmetics are unbelieviable. He has sent me photos of his ebonite reel plates polished so
fine that you can almost read the wattage of the bulbs in the light above his kitchen table, on which photo was taken. You will not be dissapointed with a
Janciuras reel.
I will caution anyone buying a used/re-sold Janciuras reel. There are three (non-Orvis) reels out there that Joe has never been paid for. If you are offered one, ask for the history of it, and then check the history with Joe. Jon |
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Posts: 1058 03/27/2009 22:42 |
$3,000-plus vs. $750. I guess the Janciuras should be a better reel, but I could buy four Saraciones for the price of one Janciuras. So, I would say for the
dollar the Saracione is a better reel!
FFBill
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creakycane |
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Posts: 2142 03/27/2009 23:30 |
Saracione Perfection reels, price-wise, are alot more than 750 - of the order of the Janciuras Perfections....
It's the Mark IV Saraciones that are currently 750 or so - very different reels.... |
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flyslinger |
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Posts: 101 03/28/2009 16:27 |
Does anyone have a picture of a Janciuras Perfection reel?
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Posts: 43 03/28/2009 16:42 |
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bobk |
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Posts: 57 03/28/2009 19:30 |
I am curious as to where the Bellinger Saracione Reels fit in this lineup?
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JimmyB11 |
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Posts: 44 03/28/2009 21:01 |
They don't. The closest things are the Bellinger/Saracione nickel silver reels that are no longer made, they are worth about 1200 bucks. The Older
Saracione's are over a thousand as well. No Saracione touches these Janciuras reels but they cost way less. These are exceptional reels in the Vom Hofe
tradition. They are more finely made than the Walkers, Bogdans and other Vom Hofe style reels.
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flyslinger |
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Posts: 102 03/28/2009 22:50 |
JimmyB11, thanks for the link. I guess I'll just have to admire the Janciuras from afar with those prices, even though I know the fit and finish is worth it. |
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HighMeadowFarm |
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Posts: 95 03/31/2009 20:55 |
I would like to add my comments regarding Joe Janciuras reels. In my humble opinion his reels are beyond next level of any current or past maker. I've
had most (not all) reel makers reels both past and present in my hands over the years and while a great condition Vom Hofe made 100 years ago has always been
the standard for what most high end reel makers strive for, they always seem to fall somewhat short until Joe Janciuras came along. Saracione made a limited
series of Perfections/Tobiques (other?) exacting replicas years back and I believe the plan was to make 20 or so of each. My understanding from someone close
to him is that he never completed that limited run due to the difficulty and workmanship involved. Saracione makes awesome reels and his limited runs are
terrific but it speaks volumes that the run was so limited. Are Joe's reels expensive yes. Next level, absolutely. He is so demanding of every reel that
goes out and in his few short years of production reels he has taken the craft to the top. I take nothing away from multiple terrific reel makers out there
and I have many of them, but seriously, until you touch, see, feel his workmanship you won't know what the pinnacle of the craft has become.
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JimmyB11 |
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Posts: 46 03/31/2009 22:00 |
I would agree that the reels justify their high cost, having said that there are not many people that have the disposable income to make the purchase. They
cost more than a Bogdan but they are a finer instrument without the caché................yet.
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ramr9 |
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Posts: 1 04/01/2009 15:07 |
I was wondering whether anyone has compared Joe's reels to the New Baby Bogdans. I note Jimmy Bill suggest Joe's Peerless (Click Reel) costs more than
the new Bogdan but I believe they are comparable in price as Joe's Peerless comes in a custom made Arnie Mason Block Leather case. I was very pleased to
present my youngest son with a Bogdan Babe Trout when he graduated from Univ. some years back and it is without a doubt a wonderful reel. On the other hand
Joe makes all his reels totally from scratch; screws, ebonite plates, springs, handles, etc., etc. I know from personal contact he has finally encountered a
company in Europe which is able to produce Ebonite to his satisfaction after many years of research. Joe leaves nothing to chance, he researches and is
continually exploring new materials. I must say I agree with the remarks of High Meadow Farm and can state I was introduced to Joe a number of years back when
he was first considering producing fly reels. I sent him a number of my Hardy's, a Bogdan, and an Edward Vom Hofe Restigouche. Needless to say he
digested, then copied them all in a rather short period of time and when all was said and done he suggested to me the finest maker of them all was by far Ed.
Vome Hofe. In his opinion they could not be improved upon and some months later he sent me two 6/0 restigouche's. I now own a number of other Janciuras
reels and am presently awaiting for a 1/0 Ebonite Raised Pillar Perfection which incidentally is one model Edward never got around to making.
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JimmyB11 |
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Posts: 47 04/01/2009 15:45 |
I don't think the reels are directly comparable. The great thing about Bogdans, Zwargs and Walkers is that they are essentially tanks. Heavy construction,
simple designs simple materials, these are great attributes for reels that were designed to fish even though they have become collectible items now more than
the fishing tool of yesteryear.. The Janciuras reels are designed as elegant, thoroughbred reels and they set themselves up as the most
"sophisticated" reels available for the erudite angler, not for everyone but they should be appreciated for what they are.
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Olson |
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Posts: 1 04/02/2009 00:12 |
There is no question about this Janciuras reels are the best hand made reels on the market. But they are hopeless
over priced. You have to know that the material cost of one of this reel is not more than 75$ and he needs not more than a week for a reel it is the same
time rod builders need for a rod. Because of this hi price a Janciuras reel don't hold there value on the
secondary market like a Bogdan, Saracione, or original EVH. Even Orvis can't find customer for the alu raised pillar he made for them. I think there a not much customer who a willing to pay this hi price an he makes maybe less than 5
reels a year. And even his reels are very close to the original EVH for this amount of money I can buy a original
what will hold the value or even increases it. So for me a Bogdan, Saracione, or original EVH is a much better buy.
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findwolfhard |
This and that | #14 | ||
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Posts: 325 04/02/2009 01:34 |
Hello!
@ Olsen, welcome on this forum,- you seem to be an expert! Then you should know that you will never find a nice Perfection or Peerless for that money! Maybe one that is more or less ruined and needs extensive repair. Forget it! Check Lang`s auction results. Also, there are literally thousands of rodmakers around, who can make you a rod blank in one day, but there`s only one Joe Janciuras! As I have said here before, there`s no comparison. You have to see and try one of his reels, only then you can understand. His reels are basically reasonably priced, it`s only that some others are way too expensive. Best Wolfhard
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tiptop |
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Posts: 528 04/02/2009 08:10 |
IMO, erudition has nothing to do with the choice of these reels. I'm sure there are many highly learned individuals on this forum who wouldn't spend
this amount of money on any reel, regardless of quality. It seems more likely that the small group of people who will buy these reels are wealthy and desire
to own the most expensive reels made.
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Flybox |
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Posts: 89 04/02/2009 08:31 |
I always enjoy reading the posts about the fishermen and their passion! I doubt very seriously there are any websites dedicated to individuals fighting about
golf clubs or softball bats (maybe beer, but that is understandable). I have personally owned several nice reels that retail over $1500. For some reason I
always feel bad for owning equipment like this. The same goes for nice rods. I have owned several rods that retail over $3000 and have just turned around and
sold them. I don't know if there are other fisherman out there that have gone through this process, but I am happiest when I have middle range equipment.
However, the Janciuras reels are very tempting! I have been looking at them the last couple of weeks thinking what equipment I would have to sell to afford
one.
Cris |
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JimmyB11 |
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Posts: 48 04/02/2009 10:31 |
I always get a chuckle when a guy says a reel has 75 dollars worth of material and it only takes a week to make one.
Of course this is not true and there is no mention of the equipment required or the years of training or the expertise or the fact that no one else is making a comparable product, these are wonderful reels. If he can't sell them he will stop making them, if people want to pay the price then they are worth whatever people want to pay. If they don't interest you then simply don't buy one but what is wrong with someone who does? Accept the reel as a small niche reel for those that love wonderful things. |
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Posts: 96 04/02/2009 22:09 |
"It seems more likely that the small group of people who will buy these reels are wealthy and desire to own the most expensive reels made. "
Uh...I beg to differ. That's quite an assumption on your part. No one has said the reels are inexpensive, but please don't make assumptions as to his target audience is based on buying the "most expensive". |
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tackleman |
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Posts: 34 04/02/2009 23:04 |
There are people who own a Steinway piano who will never play in Carnegie Hall but can still appreciate the feeling of the mechanism when touching the keys.
Something 'fine' has many levels of discernable pleasure. If I was wealthy I know I'd enjoy owning more 'fine' things.
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cdmoore |
Would Janciuras, Saracione, Larabee Perfection owners please email me? | #20 | ||
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Posts: 2764 04/02/2009 23:58 Moderator |
I have some questions that don't fit on this thread. com.gmail@splitcane (reverse) Thanks, Chris
"If you finish in 7 days, I'll pay you for 10. If you finish in 10 days, I'll pay you for 7." ~Ballykissangel
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