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I have always wondered why some rods will establish a set in the tip and some do not. I have a Heddon 50 and a Phllipson DFS that have developed sets, as
careful as I've been fighting fish. Then on the other hand I use my Orvis Madison and don't even think about turning the rod and a set has never
occured. I was told by a well known maker not to bother getting the sets worked out because they will always come back, Thoughts guys???
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Marty |
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I've had a really big fish put a set in a rod and had it straightened and it never came back. I have 2 rods with very slight sets that make no difference
whatsoever in use and remind me of catching fish on them. IMHO its just a part of fishing with a living material every culm and the rod made from it is unique
(thus the variability in rods of exactly the same taper from the same maker). Although I have some rods I have fished hard and know that previous owners have
fished hard that have no sets even after having fought some big fish. Go figure.
Life is too short for cheap scotch and plastic rods.
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bobbeegee |
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How bad are the sets? If they are only slight, I wouldn't worry too much about them.
Give them a good side to side and up and down waggling after fishing them. Bob
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rmercado.fiberglassflyro... |
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Do impregnated rods have less chance of developing sets than non? Just wondering, am new to bamboo. I'm concerned about tip sets as well.
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tim simbari |
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rmercado wrote: They are somewhat "plasticised" by resin impregnation and somewhat less prone although I would'nt be carless. |
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JimmyB11 |
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Rods that set will always set. If has to do with a number of factors, heat treating, glue type, varnish etc. Aviod deep bends from snags etc and learn to live
with them. Many modern bamboo rods tend to set less, I think it is heat treating and glue choice but that is an opinion.
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Blue Quill |
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Hi Gents,
Most classic rods were made from strips split from many culms, sometimes dozens. Rods made from a mix of strips from several different culms are less likely to take sets, as the stresses in each strip are better equalized by all stresses and bends in the mismatched strips. It's analogous to averaging all the bends and kinks; the more strips, the less the impact of the existing bends and kinks on net straightness. Most makers make rods from a single culm as it's become a defacto-standard among makers and expected by buyers, but it may not be ideal. This method (single culm) was advanced by Everett Garrison. Garrison advised making each rod from a single culm to try to improve repeatability of action from rod to rod, but not necessarily for improved resistance to sets. Most makers since then have held the single-culm method as the ideal, but it may not be for any number of reasons. Also, please note that mirror-matched tips can just as easily be made from several culms as from a single culm. To JimmyB11's point, heat-treating is very important, as is glue selection. Some glues take sets easier, some glues straighten easier, and some are difficult to get to stay straight once bent. Regarding impregnation, it does make straighter rods in that the material becomes completely homogeneous from strip to strip (normally no two strips ever have exactly the same specific gravity). I don't impregnate, but a while back I experimented with tung-oil impregnation for prototype rods. Even if I put unstraightened blanks right out of the string into the oil tube, when I pulled them out the next day they were always as straight as a pool cue. I don't particularly like impregnated rods (weight issues and aesthetic reasons), but the aforementioned effect is truly amazing. The extent of the sets is another issue. My opinion has always been this: Hold the rod straight out with arm extended, with the recommended line hanging out the tip and piled below on the ground. That is the static bend of the rod with no casting load. If the set in the tip is equal to this or less, it likely has no effect on the way the rod casts. Another thing to consider is the set straightness of graphite rods, as they are tacitly the comparison. Many anglers would be surprised at the sets in graphite rods as well, and often while still on the sales rack. This doesn't necessarily make tip-sets any more acceptable, but the point is that they are native to fly rods in general, not just bamboo fly rods. Chuck
Last Edited By: Blue Quill 04/16/2009 22:09.
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BobS |
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Interesting thoughts, Chuck. Thank you. |
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Gnome |
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To echo Chuck's statement about sets in Graphite. Before I left SCOTT we where pulling some blanks off of the mandrels when one set like you would not
believe. It is in a full 90 degree set with a very smooth radius throiugh the bend. I have that section in my shop as an oddity and boy does it get the
comments when people see it.
Anything made by man can take a "Set" as we are not perfect and if the tool is over stressed a set can occur. 2 copper pieces from the cave Jeff |
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cwood |
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I've only had one rod that really took on a set (actually two from the same maker but one was a blank). I could literally lean it against the wall for 5
seconds and it would stay in that position until I straightened it out by hand. It was a new rod ordered from a well known contemporary maker. I asked him
about it and he said that was normal!! I got rid of that rod quick and the new owner loves it, so I guess the sets don't bother him. I've also owned
several rods by another well known maker and have fished the hell out of them and none of them have come close to taking a set. One is a 6'6" 3/4 wt.
that I have caught some nice fish on (20+ inchers), hung it in trees, busted on small streams with it, and in general have beat it up by fishing hard......
nary a set to be seen. I think some of it has to do with the care a maker takes while heat treating it to get the moisture out. The rods I have from the
aforementioned maker of some of my favorite rods all feel very tough and, as I once was told, "steely". Not all rods are made the same!!! Pretty
wraps and nice hardware doesn't mean squat when it comes to the vitality and quality of the cane work itself. I think plenty off makers can purchase
gadgets and make an internet published taper, but not everyone can make a rod that will last a life time with minimal fuss.
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rmercado.fiberglassflyro... |
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Great thread, and thanks Chuck on the education. One more question, as I'm considering buying my next bamboo rod - what are your thoughts on the hollow
built regarding sets?
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Blue Quill |
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Hi RMF, I've made hollow-built rods as experiments for my own use (fluted and dammed), but I've never offered any for sale to customers and don't intend
to (I know lots of folks love them, but I'm not sold on the cited advantages). I haven't seen any difference set-wise one way or the other with the
ones I've made, but I rarely fish hollow rods so I'm not really the one to ask.
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