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 mtnman |
The Granger/Phillipson Elliptical Grip |
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Posts: 68 04/18/2009 22:07 |
Howdy Folks,
I'm looking for a maker and or restorationist that can replicate the Granger/Phillipson Elliptical grip. Thanks in advance, Russ |
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PaducahMichael |
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Posts: 600 04/24/2009 18:41 |
Hello Mtnman,
A good question. I've never made one, but I've always thought one could accomplish the elliptical shape by starting with a full Wells. Flatten the sides, then finish sanding by hand to achieve the desired shape. But that's just a theory. I've never tried it. I've often wondered how they made them in the Granger / Phillipson shop. |
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 Flyman615 |
Elliptical grips | #2 | ||
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Posts: 3204 04/24/2009 19:15 |
Hi Michael:
I also assumed a process like the one you outline in your post. However, a few years ago I purchased a "pre-formed", Phillipson elliptical grip from a fellow Forum member. Same shape, but it's brand new and never been installed on a rod. Perhaps it was made on some sort on mandrel and made to be used as a replacement? The other thing that kind of throws me is that it's made from cork rings which were cut "against the grain" and thus has "speckles" rather than elongated checks (dark voids) in the cork. Yet another little rod making "mystery" for us to ponder! Best, Scott 
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Posts: 749 04/25/2009 00:32 |
Dwight lyons does these handles by hand sanding they come out very nice,
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Posts: 2839 04/25/2009 01:15 Moderator |
Elliptical shapes may be turned on a lathe.
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Posts: 602 04/25/2009 11:46 |
tedgolden wrote:You might be surprised at some of the shapes I've made (erroneously) on a lathe. I think someone once told me they had a cork shaper that worked on a cam to achieve the elliptical grip. Being incompetent with machinery, I can't figure out how do it. |
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mtnman |
Granger/Phillipson Elliptical Grip | #6 | ||
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Posts: 69 04/25/2009 12:57 |
Good morning everyone,
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Gnome |
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Posts: 2153 05/11/2009 13:13 King of the Gnomes |
mtnman,
please drop me a line or give me a shout your grips are done. Jeff |
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nwdlj |
shape forming grips | #8 | ||
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Posts: 22 05/11/2009 14:09 |
as can be seen in shaping gunstocks on a production basis, a wood carving pantograph is used to make such items...I know that this is not news to a lot of the
woodworking guys here but usually, in the sign industry, they use them to replicate signs and such from 2D drawings but they can be used in 3D, there being a
Vermont American pantograph out there for about $40. I googled the term "woodworking pantograph" and came up with this as an example of a DIY 3D
pantograph. Note that it starts with the 2D examples but there is an 3D one where they carve a model of a VW...not too hard to think of rotating a handle form
and coming up with the proper shape. I know that this crew sure has the capabilities to make something like this given all of the bevelers, winders et al that
people come up with. I have been constantly amazed at the ingenuity and talents of everyone here that make "their own"...anyway, not a bad
description of a 3D machine...also, I have no connection to these guys and no financial interest in any way...
http://build.your.own.pro...nsCNCthe3DPantograph.htm as far as my thoughts of how they did it way back then, I can see where they used the normal cork ring unfinished shape and basically flattened the sides of a Well shape...but I don't think they did it from a standard finished Wells handle to begin with as the nose of the hammer handle is a different shape and the sides appear to be thicker than what a a flattened Wells would yield, so I think they had a hammer pattern that they made the handles from a standard set of unfinished rings...over at the Sage shop, I see them making their handles in this manner with a pantograph type of machine that duplicates their handles in a manual manner. its not particularly automatic, requiring a manual operator to run the machine over the rings from a pattern form. For just one, I would basically take a set of cork rings and bring it down in an over sized Wells shape and then handshape it from there with a surform and sanding blocks. I have made lots of specialized handles like that, including a hammer handle shape and on my tarpon rods, had a tri-lobal shape that indexed in your hands with the lower lobe in the crooks of the fingers but still had a wide area on top to put your thumb and fat part of the hand and forearm for holding on during the agonizing middle part of the fight where you just have to hang on while they tire...dj |
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fdlyons |
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Posts: 46 06/17/2009 22:19 |
I have made a few of these so called elyptical cork grips and there was a short learning curve. With cork rings hovering above $2.00 per, one does not want to
attempt too many of these. I did start with forming a full wells grip but my mistake on the first one was not making the full wells oversize to allow for the
sanding and shaping. I would leave it a good 1/8" oversize. A few fine files, some fine sand paper and skill. I have done them on the rod and off. It
is all in the wrist.
Dwight |
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greg hall |
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Posts: 254 06/18/2009 12:15 |
Dwight is too modest. He does excellent work.
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