Is there a list of the names under which some of the larger production shops such as Granger, Phillipson, Heddon and others made trade rods?
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Posts: 352 05/02/2009 11:11 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's |
There is a fantastic list of Heddon trade rods in Michael Sinclair's book "Heddon: The Rod with a Fighting Heart." There is, however, no master
list I am aware of for trade rods from each company. I have read that some rodmakers would brand your name on a rod for an order of only 24 rods.
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Posts: 624 05/02/2009 11:54 |
Todd, Heddon would make rods to spec for a 12 rod order. No wonder they made so many trade rods!
Waltryan, Goodwin Granger Co didn't make trade rods. They actually had a weekly bonfire on Friday evenings when they burned the blanks that were judged to be "seconds". However, after W&M bought Granger (after WWII), W&M did produce some trade rods that were basically Granger rods with cheaper reel seats and grips. Those were sold under the name "Old Faithful Rod Co" and were seconds as far as quality. The reasons they were seconds were cosmetic only, and those Old Faithful Rods (True Action, Thoroughbred, Challenger) are fine fishing rods once you get past the ugly (but functional) reel seats. Some first quality trade rods were sold by W&M under the name "Aladdin Rod Co". The model name "Tried & True" comes to mind - it was the equal of the Granger Special in quality and wraps. W&M also produced first quality trade rods for Marshall Field company that were sold as "One Striper", "Two Striper" and "Three Striper", the more stripes, the higher the quality. These were the "Victory", "Special" and "Aristocrat" grade rods respectively. Phillipson sold some rods under the "Colorado Tackle Co" name, and these, too were seconds. The model name was "Topflyte". Phillipson made rods for sale by LL Bean and A&F which were first quality, but labeled for sale by those companies. Heddon made rods for many, many companies - nearly a hundred by my count. More of these surface every day it seems. One could make an interesting connection just from Heddon trade rods! |
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Posts: 354 05/02/2009 12:00 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's |
Wow. I'd forgotten that! 12 rods...talk about rare! Every mom and pop store on earth could have gotten them made.
Trade rods get overwhelming when you delve into others, particularly Union Hardware, Montague, and (gasp) Horrocks-Ibbotson. Talk about a LOT of trade rods!!! -- Dr. Todd |
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Posts: 89 05/03/2009 16:26 |
This is one of the toughest issues facing collectors of Montague rods. There were probably more Montague trade rods sold than
those that were marked as Montague, especially in the early days. Before 1928, It appears that less than 15% of their entire line of rods were marked
at all. I'd guess that a majority of the marked Montague rods made prior to 1928 were labeled with the retailer's brand. For example, I've seen
more pre-1930 Kingfisher brand Montague-made rods than pre-1930 rods marked as Montague.
I recently began working on a conversion chart for Montague trade rods. For now, I'm focusing on those sold by major retailers like Tryon (Kingfisher), Sears (JC Higgins), Wards (Sport King), and L.L. Bean. I'm still in the early stages, but have a few models cross referenced, and the list grows almost weekly. . . . Rex TheMontyMan |
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Posts: 661 05/09/2009 19:41 |
Rex, you are a brave, brave man. Hats off to you for undertaking the single toughest maker to document. Good thing it's a labor of love!
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Posts: 47 05/10/2009 06:07 |
Especially since I haven't seen many quality Monty rods from most of those retailers.
Good luck on your project. I don't have much to add with respect to the trade rods unfortunately. |
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TheMontyMan |
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Posts: 115 05/14/2009 14:21 |
There is one glimmer of hope for identifying Montague trade rods... I've found that most Montague trade rods sported the signature windings of their base
Montague production model. My current strategy is to identify and document the production models, then visually compare the hardware and signature windings to
ID trade rods and unmarked Montys. This is where you can help Darrelll. I still have plenty of models in need of a baseline, marked rod for comparison.
Sounds like you have a treasure trove of marked Montys that could eventually become the key for identifying trade rods.
. . . Rex TheMontyMan |
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Posts: 77 05/29/2009 23:07 |
Don't forget to add the early Jay Harvey's (Tryon) were also Monty's before Heddon. The Harvey's were the higher grade rods.
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Posts: 128 06/05/2009 00:52 |
Some of the best quality Montys I've made a positive ID on were labeled for A&F, A&I, VL&A, Spalding, and L.L. Bean. Many of these rods were
attributed to T&E, F.E. Thomas, and others, until I matched them up to an advertisement. It sure becomes difficult, when you can find marked rods by other
makers that are sporting a full complement of Monty/Chubb hardware. Sometimes the only distinguishing factor on an unmarked rod is the silk windings.
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