Hello, as I fish a river where I never have space in the back for normal cast, I have to do a lot of roll casts. Best rod (or taper) for to do this cast? I
like the idea of to buy a quadrate but probably with the problem of the casting planes it is not the right rod in this case. Sergio
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Posts: 4616 05/14/2009 08:47 Moderator |
Wayne Cattanach hex tapers are designed for rollcasting.
What length rod are you looking for?
Pete
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cwood |
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Posts: 574 05/14/2009 09:16 |
I've found the shorter Young tapers to be excellent roll casters. Specifically, the Driggs and the Perfectionist tapers (possibly the midge too but I
don't own one). I have less experience with the Perfectionist since I just started fishing one, but I've always thought that the Driggs, at least the
version I own from JD Wagner, is the best roll caster I've discovered. I use this cast quite a bit on the streams I fish and the ability to do it
efficiently was my #1 criterion for choosing a small stream rod. There is something wonderful about Wagner's taper because I can roll cast it nearly as
far as I can overhead cast it, and it is simply effortless to do so. Wagner sells this taper in a quadrate format as well. His Patriot line of rods is a
great value (less than 800); folks tend to think of them as "intro" rods because that's how he markets them, but they are as nice or nicer than
rods much more expensive and made by one of America's best. Good luck.
CWood
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Posts: 500 05/14/2009 09:28 |
Hi Sergio - I don't think the geometry of the rod matters much, it's more about the taper. What you want for optimum roll casting is a long, flexible
rod that retains enough butt strength to cast with accuracy. You need the rod to bend without applying a lot of line weight to the tip. Casting technique comes
into play here too. When you perform a roll cast, you start with the line hanging behind you in a "D" shape. The more line you can get into the
"D", the more the rod will load, and the further you can cast. Reach behind with the rod, and hold the tip fairly high. The best roll caster I own is
a one piece 8 foot 4 weight based on an F.E. Thomas taper. I had a two piece version also, that was quite good. If something like that would interest you, the
taper is at Frank Stetzer's online hexrod site. If you are looking to purchase a finished rod like that, forum member Chris Bogart makes an excellent
version of the taper.
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Posts: 36 05/14/2009 09:37 |
Thanks. I thought to a 8' line 4 or 5 as maybe a little longer rod could be better. Medium action or semiparabolic. But I know somebody like better a
medium fast rod for this use. Sergio
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Posts: 252 05/14/2009 10:51 |
My personal favorite for that kind of fishing, altho' I know it is not for everyone, is a Pezon et Michel Fario Club. 8'5" with a DT5 line.
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Posts: 318 05/14/2009 12:17 |
I dont own original Youngs but i got Summers and Pickards and Pickard 725 (Driggs) is the best of all roll caster i ever tried
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Posts: 327 05/14/2009 15:28 |
I find that Sharpe's of Aberdeen Scotties seem to roll and spey cast with double taper lines better than they overhead cast with either double tapers or
weight forward lines. The 9' are most common and very fishable where backcasts are constrained. Since I took up spey casting techniques I discovered that
the Scotties are really like little mini spey rods, and very enjoyable to fish this way.
Also try overlining the rod by one size on the double taper to help load the D loop, as not all of the weight of the line directly loads the rod, compared to overhead casting. If you fish heavy sinking flies I'd recommend looking into some of the new "compact skagit lines", as long as your rod doesn't have the very small guides from the silk line era. These shooting lines have a very fat back section that can carry out sink tips and flies, and shooting line on your roll or spey cast. They will turn any rod into a roll caster. -Vinnie in Juneau |
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Posts: 691 05/14/2009 15:56 |
Sergio, I think what Tom S. said about geometry is exactly right - it's the taper not the number of sides that is important. The best roll casting rods are
ones that bend from the butt on even shorter casts, so that includes Fario Clubs, most Youngs and similar rods. A strong tip also helps, which also describes
the Fario Club. A medium fast rod with strong butt and fine tip is not likely to be good at roll casting. You have to hit the rod hard to force a bend the
butt, which is where the roll cast power starts.
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Posts: 1398 05/15/2009 21:16 |
Payne 100 which is a 7'-6" 4wt rod is the best rollcaster I've ever had. Mine is built by Mike Brooks and has been described as a perfect match in
feel to the originals.
FE Thomas 6'-8" Fairy by AJ also will roll on those small creeks like a dream. Alan |
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