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philpsych |
Heddon #50 8 1/2' 1 3/4F 3/2 |
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Hi - Does anyone know what a Heddon #50 8 1/2' 1 3/4F 3/2, mint restored, might bring on today's market? Thanks.....Mark
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moonshine |
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$250 I would think.
Know anything about old Leonards??? |
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bobbeegee |
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I would say you could double that, probably more. That's a very good taper, and a most attractive and desirable rod to boot! Bob p.s. I know next to nothing about Leonard rods, except most of them are too high in cost. Go Heels!!! |
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bamboocollector11 |
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Due to the current economic situation I would estimate that your rod would be worth $400-$700. The variation in dollar value is caused by two considerations;
who performed the restoration and the current economy.
My 2 cents, Ed |
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moonshine |
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Was quoting "Antique&Collectible Fishing Rods Identification and Value Guide"by D.B.Homel,5th printing 2007."Heddon #50
"President" fly rod 8 1/2' (3/2) poor-fair $115,good-very good $250, excellent-mint $475. Refinished would put the rod in good-very good, right?
is this book numerically accurate?
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bobbeegee |
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moonshine wrote:No, it would be classified as mint restored. Good to very good is normal, used condition with the accompanying signs of being fished. bamboocollector11 is correct in his assessment, in my opinion. This would put the rod in the upper levels of Danny Homel's assessment. I can't speak for him, but I would think his values may be toward the low end for this and other rods he has evaluated? I would also suggest you read the DISCLAIMER at the bottom of the homepage here. Mr. Homel is a member here as blackbelt. Bob Go Heels!!! |
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philpsych |
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Thanks for your help - I was going to buy this rod, but it's no longer for sale. Issue now closed, thanks....Mark
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro... |
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The Heddon 1 3/4F rods are very tough to find these days- and the 8.5' 1 3/4F taper seems to be even scarcer than the 8' version (due to the fact that
they're very light action 4-5 weight rods with a sweet yet fast-ish action, an uncommon combination in vintage and classic cane, especially for 8.5'
rods.)
And Model #50 Heddons of any length or taper have seldom been seen on the market for sale- at least in my observation of the past three years, as I've developed this, er, habit. Put all those factors together, and I don't think $650-$750 is out of the question for a top quality, fully & properly restored example. I don't think $900 is out of the question for a 8.5' 1 3/4F #50 in excellent-plus original condition. There can't be that many left, especially in that shape. Plus, they're superlative fishing rods.
"I can't not believe in a creator. The birds sing too beautifully and the trout are too speckled." John Martyn 1948-2009
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moonshine |
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Sorry I think. Didn't know that quoting from published media with appropriate reference was improper. I certaintly didn't intend anything negative
or single out any individual other than to give credit where credit is do. My appoligies to any and all.Should I be looking for a woopin'??
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NorthBranch |
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I bet you'd get $750-$950 for it if it has the original bag/tube. I sold an mint/restored 8'6" 3/2 1-3/4F with original bag/tube for $950 five
months ago. I sold it on the board. I'd put it on yabe..
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro... |
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Should I be looking for a woopin'??
Nope. you sound like you've learned your lesson ;^) All collecting guidebooks in all fields are suspect- almost always incomplete to some extent, often lacking important details and distinctions, and sometimes outright mistaken. I can't think of a single author of the fishing tackle collecting guides I've read who got it all complete and correct. There are people on this board who have written some of them, and I think without exception they'd freely admit that. This is especially true in the case of price, which so volatile that the estimates in the guidebooks can be obsolete by the time they're published. Other times, the publication of a work- especially an authoritative one on a single maker- can lead to a jump in prices as a result of newfound recognition of quality and/or rarity by collectors. For this reason, a lot of guidebooks stay away from the topic of price entirely. In my experience, the estimates given on this forum right here are the nearest to being accurate. They are not definitive. But in my experience, they're usually pretty close, especially here in the Appraisals folder. Just check through the back pages to get some idea of what people have said about various rods. You'll note that sometimes we agree on price estimates- and sometimes we don't ;^) The other indicator of price these days is eBay- but it's only a rough guideline- including cases of some auctions that are jaw-dropping bargains, others that are staggeringly overbid, and everything in between. If you learn the fine points of model and condition, and then follow eBay long enough- like a year or two- you'll get an idea of what the going rates are for rods. But even experts paying close attention don't know what the going rates are going to be, 6 months or a year down the line. You need to keep up, month by month, week by week. Which takes a lot of time, and some effort, to do properly. I will note that thus far, I haven't seen the shaky economy result in a huge drop in the price of fishing tackle collectibles. In fact, the value of much of the stuff- the classics, like Leonard rods and Hardy Perfect reels- continues to appreciate, or at least remain stable. The thing about the estimates on this forum is that, especially in the case of your more everyday collectible bamboo fly rods, the regulars here understand condition issues- and they're also often able to provide educated opinions on the value of a given rod as an actual fishing tool- what the action is like, what weight line it throws best, where it seems to stand out as far as all of the different fishing situations out there. It isn't like colecting old creels to put up on the mantle- most everybody here actually uses bamboo rods for at least some of their fishing. Sometimes, all of their fishing.
"I can't not believe in a creator. The birds sing too beautifully and the trout are too speckled." John Martyn 1948-2009
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Hipgnosis |
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MOONSHINE: You don't need a whoopin'; however, all collector price guides are obsolete the day they're printed. Any number of factors can change
any given maker, taper, model, etc of bamboo rod very rapidly both up or down.
HIPGNOSIS
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Flyman615 |
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OK, I'm admittedly just a "dabbler" in Heddon rods, even though This Fine Madness began with my Dad's Model 8, 8 1/2-foot, 2F.
That said, I think Heddon and Orvis rods have taken the biggest "hits" in today's depressed market. Therefore, I respectfully doubt the $750-$950 value estimates, especially in restored condition. For example, I'd much rather have an all-original 8-foot, 1 1/2F, and most of those are being listed in the $450-$550 range these days. Oh well, as Freestoner mentioned, opinions are like belly buttons--everyone's got one, and one is as good as another! Regards, Flyman
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PaducahMichael |
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"Worth is in the eye of the beholder."
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moonshine |
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I have been deservedly and dutifully whooped!!!!An unfortunate choice of words as I really should have said "numerically accurate".I apologise to you
and all the starvin'babies in Ethiopia.I shall tread lightly in future. I'm really a nice guy, its just I.....I...... live in the wrong part of the
wrong state for...for fly fishing for trout and I don't know how long I can last..................................AAAAAAARRRRHHHHH!
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cebfishing |
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Worth depends on how much at least two people are willing to pay in a competitive situation, or one person is willing to pay a seller with a firm price. Model
50 do not come up often. 1 3/4f are very desirable. The economic environment has limited impact on quality items. Remember, 85% of us still have the same job
and salary we had a year ago. My retirement may be impacted, but my cash flow has not changed. I still bid at the level I did a year ago, along with most other
collectors. Only difference is I am hoping for a bargin in today's "economic environment". If the restoration is a quality job, I have no problem
with a $750-950 estimate.
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