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caneguy	Granger 9043		Lead	[-]
Posts: 260 05/29/2009 20:07	Tags : None Has anyone owned, handled, seen, heard a rumor about a 9043? Are they a never-made model that only exist in fantasy? Maybe to bulk up an ad? I am seriously interested. Thank you and cheers, Ray
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PaducahMichael		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 711 05/29/2009 20:22	Ray, they were made - I've handled a few. They are just sort of rare as they were softer than most Granger fans wanted. They are almost as rare as the ten foot Grangers - and those were made, too, as I've owned a couple of them over the years. The biggest trouble with the 9043 is that the only place the model # appears is on the rod tube label. Many labels are lost, some are unreadable and some rods get moved to a new tube at some time in their lives. That means the only way to know you're dealing with a 9043 instead of a 9050 is to MEASURE THE FERRULES. 9043 has 11/64ths , 9050 has 12/64ths. Of course, you can measure ferrules with a micrometer or dial caliper - but you can also use an inexpensive drill bit gauge - or even a case for drill bits that has different size holes for different size drill bits. I don't recommend using drill bits themselves to measure ferrules, but that could work as long as you insert the dull end of the bit into the female ferrule, and then only deep enough to determine the largest one that will enter it. I wouldn't think that drill bits are as carefully sized as ferrules.... The New Divine Rods
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Flyman615		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3246 05/29/2009 20:24	I saw your want ad. The 9043 is indeed an actual Granger taper, but it's very, very scarce. As you may know, the ferrules are 17/11 as opposed to the 9050's 18/12. I've been collecting and fishing Grangers for almost 40 years and I have but one 9043. It's a First Era DeLuxe circa 1918-23 and would cast a 4 or 5 wt. with a very delicate action. The 9043 was catalogued at least through 1937, but there were probably 100 times more 9050's made than 9043's. Many folks think they have a 9043 when what they really have is a 9050, as witnessed with a Favorite advertised recently on an auction website. Regards, Flyman Last Edited By: Flyman615 05/29/2009 20:36. Edited 1 time.
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RPL		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 199 05/29/2009 21:29	In his book about bamboo rods, John Gierach writes about coming across a 9043 being repaired at Mike Clark's shop. He apparently ended up acquiring it. I think he writes about it as a good nymphing rod. I once asked Mike about the 9043, and I think he told me he had seen only one other in addition to Gierach's -- over the course of decades. Gary Lacey, who took over the Granger brand, does build the 9043 in a variety of grades but probably doesn't see many orders for that model.
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nwdlj	I was wondering also	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 30 05/30/2009 11:01	thanks for verifying what I was thinking as I also thought that it wasn't a 9043...the fact that it went for almost $500 made me think maybe I was in error but maybe not now...dj
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William Dunn	9043	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 05/30/2009 18:52	Here are pictures of the tube for my GF9043(?). I had trouble posting a picture of the rod. The rod came to me in original condition but I had to have it refinished because the varnish was to soft. It was refinished by George Guba. It is appropriately labeled on the tube which I think is original as is the bag. I have measured the ferrules and they are 18/64 and 12/64. The sections are not interchangeable with any of my 8642's but are with a 9050. I have had the taper measured and it is a finer taper than the 9050. It casts a 5W DT and the action is much slower than my 9050. I know that the 9043 is rare but it appears from posts that there are some out there. What is the source of the ferrule sizes being 17/11? William Dunn
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Flyman615	9043 Favorite	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3252 05/30/2009 21:18	William: Very interesting, to say the least. In my opinion, however, there aren't any clear cut answers here. But as I always say, when it comes to Grangers, never say "always or never"! I've personally examined but three 9043's over the years. All had 17/11 ferrules and all were Goodwin Grangers. That I can tell you. Hopefully PaducahMichael will chime back in as well with his own 9043 experiences. I also have a tube with label for a 9043 Favorite which is identical to yours. No rod, however, just the tube. The black "crackle finish" tubes are pretty scarce in and of themselves. I date them from between about 1937 and 1939. That would make your rod one of the later 9043's in my estimation. That might have something to do with the apparent change (?) to 18/12 ferrules, or it might not. It would definitely be interesting to see the differences in the actual rod tapers (measurements) between your rod and a 9050 of the period. BTW, the "9043" Favorite recently listed for sale on that internet auction site was a Wright and McGill, if the waters aren't already muddy enough in this discussion! Thanks for the info contained in your post. Hopefully similar examples of other 9043's will be offered in this thread...but I won't be holding my breath! Regards, Scott
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