Any gentlemen's wagers as to what the 8014 now for auction at that unnamed site will end up going for? It's at $4299 now and has 4 hours left.
My guess is $7200
My guess is $7200
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Posts: 66 05/31/2009 11:25 |
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mosquito |
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Posts: 81 05/31/2009 11:42 |
I would say that's a good price range. Even though good examples of Dickerson rods are extremely rare, according to the Dickerson Ledger, 103 model 8014s
were made, so it is a relatively common model . Unlike the Dickerson 8014 "Guide" where only 9 were made.
Maybe the selling price will be slightly lower (6500) due to the economy and non original tube or bag. That being said, you never know what someone will pay. If somone wants a Dickerson bad enough the sky is the limit. I think if somone can get it below 6500 it would be a good buy provided it is all original and with no known issues. Interesting to see what happens. Good Luck! 
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Posts: 68 05/31/2009 11:48 |
I'm not bidding on this one, but it originally had a "Buy It Now" price of $5400.
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Posts: 47 05/31/2009 12:04 |
It may not go for that much .... there is a rod listed on the Classic Fisherman site (Bob Selb's) but it already sold (it just doesn't show) and some
of the bidders may be thinking that rod is still available.
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Posts: 82 05/31/2009 12:15 |
Good point Pete! Bob Summers has an 8014 on his site for $7500 right now. Hard to say where the market is on these rods. I always say Condition, Condition,
Condition is what sets the price of a rod. Any rod with the slightest issues, short tip, non original bag, refinishing, etc. will drastically reduce the price
and value of a rod. On a side note, Does there seem to be more Dickerson rods for sale lately? I wonder if the economy has something to do with that? Either
way, If one always wanted to own a Dickerson rod, this may be a great time to buy. What a great opportunity to own a Dickerson rod.
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cutthroattroutnm |
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Posts: 69 05/31/2009 12:20 |
That Bob Selb rod seemed like a really good price, even for a refinished Dickerson. After all, what you're really buying is his taper, his cane work and
his signature. While he did fine varnish work, there are modern makers who can rival and even surpass Dickerson in that category.
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Posts: 373 05/31/2009 13:17 |
cutthroattroutnm wrote: Unmolested original examples are what bring the best prices whether it's a Ferrari or a Dickerson or anything in between, is now, always has been. |
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Posts: 48 05/31/2009 15:32 |
I'm Just curious about oppinion from seasoned observers....
what would be the better purchase (although I think each is pretty good since it gives each owner the opportunity for the Dickerson experience) the auction 8014 for $4299 the Selb refinished 8013 for $4120 or the lang sale Dickerson that was on a month or so ago (I thought that went for a reasonable price as well) |
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mosquito |
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Posts: 83 05/31/2009 17:47 |
"what would be the better purchase"...........That depends on whether one wants to collect or fish these fine rods. From a fishability standpoint any
of the mentioned examples would be great and the price is probably in line with that purpose. From a fishability standpoint, try and get the nicest example
with the least amout of work done to it and at the lowest price. The nice thing about "Fishable" Dickerson rods are as Pete says "it gives each
owner the opportunity for the Dickerson experience". There is something magical about fishing an original classic rod made by one of the best, regardless
if it has been "touched up", "refinished", etc. For the most part the rod will probably fish the same as it was when it was new.
Now from a collectors standpoint, that is an entirely different ballgame. There are collectors and then there are collectors. If one were collecting for the sole purpose of collecting, investing and preserving these rods for prosperity then one would want a Rare model, Mint, all original rod with original bag, tube, etc. Of course Mint unfished Dickerson rods are as rare as hens teeth and will bring the maximum amount of money one is willing to pay. I think Rick Sorensen just sold a Mint 7'9" Gillum for around $15,000. Now from a collectors standpoint, that is close to the Holy Grail of Gillum rods. Now the dilema arises for the collector, to fish or not to fish this rod. I would hope the owner of that rod would never fish it. If he did the price of the rod would likely drop $3000 and cause there to be one less Mint Gillum in the world, thus increasing the price of all other Mint Gillums (if there are any left). I hate to beat a dead horse but in collecting for investing its all about Condition, Condition, Condition. Also rare models will also bring the maximum money one is willing to pay. A Lighly fished Original Dickerson 6611 or 7011 would also sell for an exorbitant amount. The fewer of them out there the more valuable they will be even if condition is not Mint. Now I am no expert and just expressing my opinion and my meager 2 cents. Have a great fishing season and I hope the new owners of those recently sold Dickerson rods fish the H#LL out of them and have many cherished days on the river. I am envious!!!
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Posts: 201 05/31/2009 19:51 |
All three of these rods were probably great deals for buyers. I bought the 8 ft. Dickerson 8013 with the yellow gold wraps at the Lang's auction and could
not be more pleased. I had been looking for a nice 8013 for years and missed several. So it was hard to resist. As Lang's had advertised, it did have a
ferrule click, a missing guide, and a short tip, by one inch. Bob Summers just finished fixing it up, including the clicking ferrule, which is now
Bob-Summers-tight. What a great job he did! The yellow gold wraps on that rod are especially beautiful. I believe that Dickerson saved that color for friends
and for special orders. As soon as I got it back, I took it to the Gunpowder in Maryland. Casting characteristics? Casts better than any other rod I own.
Performed spectacularly. Lively, light, and precise. Couldn't ask for more. Caught several small browns. In the later afternoon light, the rod just glowed.
Concluded that I'll never need another rod as long as I live. (Wonder how long that will last.)
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Posts: 565 05/31/2009 20:19 |
Yes condition is important but on this board it is Name/Name Name. The above post would not be here if it was a Montague Rapidan in excellent condition.
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Posts: 6012 05/31/2009 20:56 the Canefather |
oneculm wrote: Really! How many of your customers have requested you build a Montague rod taper for them?
banjo
Fly fishing is my Quisisana (the name is Italian for "place where one heals one's self.") "...... SLG Visit my website about Bamboo rods... Fishnbanjo's Place |
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Posts: 567 05/31/2009 21:14 |
I do not see what someone might order or not order has anything to do with my post. If there is a Montague Rapidan up for auction in good condition do you
honestly think there would have been a post wondering about the final price or the actual condition of the rod ? I am in no way disputing the quality of any
maker but the name that goes with the rod is more of a determining factor as to the price than condition.
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Posts: 71 05/31/2009 22:48 |
WOW, was I off!! Somebody got a great deal.
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Posts: 374 05/31/2009 23:05 |
oneculm wrote: Nor any other board in all probability. This might be why the aforementioned Ferrari's cost more than, say, Renault's. |
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Posts: 195 06/01/2009 04:45 |
what happen to the conversations on Dickerson 8014 , it was shoot down??? as for a Dickerson 8014 in original condition ,but the tips are 1/4 inch short . What
would the going price be like ?
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Posts: 6013 06/01/2009 05:47 the Canefather |
Sorry Dave but you're wrong, if you look around the forums here you'll see many posts drooling and expounding the virtues of their Montague rods,
I've owned 1/2 dozen Rapidan rods over the years and not two cast alike and only one was a decent enough caster the same cannot be said for Dickerson and
other makers. Besides it's makers like Payne, Thomas. Leonard, Dickerson Garrison, Gillum and a few others who made exceptional fishing rods that brought
many new makers into this, some went off and developed their own tapers and others continue to make tapers by those that inspired them, Montague, H&I and
South Bend rod tapers were not their inspiration.
Don't let both tips down 1/4" make you believe they were shortened dgatar, in the Dickerson Book is is explained how Dickerson sometimes made his rods this way and the true test to find out if they were made that way originally is to join the rod and measure it if it measures 8' it was made that way. Regards................
banjo
Fly fishing is my Quisisana (the name is Italian for "place where one heals one's self.") "...... SLG Visit my website about Bamboo rods... Fishnbanjo's Place
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Posts: 756 06/01/2009 07:52 |
I have a Dickerson 8014 Guide Presentation model in mint unfished condition. It is likely the only one of its kind in existance. It has one tip section that
is 1/4" shorter than the other (obviously made that way). Stein and Schaaf in their book on Dickerson indicated that "Dickerson has a reputation for
precise rod building. Yet the majority of the more than 100 rods personally inspected by the authors did not have all sections exactly the same length. One
tip section was at least 1/8" longer than the other on 28 percent of the rods inspected." What this rod would sell for today is anyone's guess.
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Posts: 72 06/01/2009 08:05 |
In the 5 figures, for sure.
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appgap |
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Posts: 1116 06/01/2009 12:55 |
Jim,
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Posts: 758 06/01/2009 13:14 |
Marc,
This rod was commissioned by the Detroit Local Joint Executive Board of the AFof L in 1951 and presented to an individual whose name is on the rod. This plus additional information is written on the butt section in Dickerson's hand. Jim
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