early heddon 7' abbey and imbrie

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fishbates	early heddon 7' abbey and imbrie		Lead	[-]
Posts: 178 06/07/2009 02:34	Tags : None Well up until i got this rod i always thought of hedddons as nice rods but not that nice, here is a very early rod 1920' i got from steve blake who restored the rod for me. It is a 7' rod with 3 stack node spacing and just a delight to cast (as many heddons are). It has what we think in gum wood spacer, nice nickle silver ferrules, and very nice bamboo work, with what we believe is the orginal bag and tube. Would apprciate other heddon fans to give input as to age and value, though rod is not for sale at this time you never know in this economy what a man has to do. dave
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bobbeegee	Heddon Model 31 Featherlite	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2758 06/07/2009 09:23	fishbates, I would agree the #31 Featherlite is a great taper by Heddon. They were first introduced in 1930. They can be easily identified, as the #51, #31, and the #21 were the only rods ever built by Heddon without a swelled butt. The reel seat spacer is cedar. A few things I believe to be incorrect as to your particular #31. Firstly the wrap colors are wrong. Were they this color when you first received the rod? The standard wrap colors for the #31 were Antique Gold, tipped black, or the vice versa. Secondly, I don't believe the stripping guide to be correct. Thirdly, the wraps are too long as to the original . As to value, a correctly restored Heddon Model #31, with correct bag and tube, would be in the neighborhood of $600.00, in my opinion. Here are a few poor pics of my Model 31: Bob Go Heels!!! Last Edited By: bobbeegee 06/07/2009 10:10. Edited 1 time.
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fishbates		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 72 06/07/2009 16:10	I would agree with you if the rod was made under the heddon name but it was note. As noted in the book by Sinclair on page 159 a number of rods were custom order, with options for cosmetics, (ie color thread). Also red wraps over time leave red on the bamboo (staining) and this was evident in this rod, as well as shadows that tell how long the wraps were. As to the wook i will have some experts tell me, but steve knows his woods well and did not think it cedar. Also steve has an original rod similair but i dont recal what color wraps or was it heddon or a trade name rod. Gold wraps dont leave much of a shadow as light can go through them. also #14 came out in this time period being red with black tipping, so who knows, as to the price i would say 600 is a bargin for such a rare rod.
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bobbeegee		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2762 06/07/2009 16:49	If you read page 159 of Mr. Sinclair's Heddon book closely you will see that the Featherlite #21 and #31 were discontinued in 1934 and the few hundred leftovers were remarked Abbey and Imbrie and sold to that firm. Thus, no special wraps or change in the reel seat spacers. As a matter of fact, these rods were the first to be sold to the trades by Heddon. I know three other folks that own this particular rod and their rods are wrapped as mine. As to the red stain, or whatever you wish to call it, I have no idea, unless the wraps were changed out long ago? As to the wood, since we are referencing Mr. Sinclair, his rod History Chart for the #21 and #31 show the reel seat as always being built with the CPNS cap and ring with a cedar wood insert. Except, when they were re-issued for one year in 1938 and the specs for that rod are not yours. I don't quite understand the Model 14 Thorobred reference. Yes, the #14 was wrapped red with black tipping, but if you ever find a true #14 without a swelled butt I would be most interested in seeing it. As to value, the rod may bring more than $600.00, that is just my opinion. A friend of mine bought one from a well-known dealer last year and paid $695.00. I guess the rod could have been built as a special order, but I very much doubt it. Bob Go Heels!!! Last Edited By: bobbeegee 06/07/2009 16:53. Edited 1 time.
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fishbates		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 73 06/07/2009 17:01	You might be right but i did find in Martys old cat two heddon/abbey and imbrie rods, one with dark red wraps and beige tipping and (77) and a 1915 heddon A/I with brown wraps and agate stipper and yellow tipping (78). I dont have any of his cats before 99.
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bobbeegee		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2763 06/07/2009 17:23	Was the red wrapped/beige tipped rod listed a 7' Featherlite? Heddon made their first fly rod in 1924. Bob Go Heels!!!
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oldschoolcane		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 94 06/09/2009 11:05	I'd like to build a #31, can anyone share the measurements for this rod? Thanks, Tim "B'ionn gach tosach lag." Every beginning is weak.
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troutist		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 276 06/09/2009 13:10	Hey, Fishbates, right, wrong, or indifferent in regards to thread color, reel seat, etc, its still a d_mn nice rod! Folks give you their honest opinion on this forum....doesn't mean they are always right....and it doesn't mean you are wrong, either. I'd fish it and have fun. I have a mdl10 featherlight that isn't perfect, but sure does fish a 3 or 4wt line nicely....
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fishbates		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 75 06/09/2009 20:06	thanks, im certian it is original so thats what matters, My good friend has the same rod with orignal wraps in red and black tipping, says heddon on butt cap, and the wraps are even longer then mine, everything else is the same as my rod, its interesting that sincliar states these are mid and tips from larger rods, Experts disagree with this as you would then have a 10 1/2 foot rod, which i dont belive they made any, and as well the butt section has little if any tapper and looks nothing like any mid on a heddon you can find, IM sure sinclair did his best with the early stuff, but with so few rods out there it was hard to come up with anything consistant, as the two i did find in martys cat were both different wraps, this one i got someone tried to make an edwards out out it but its plan its not an edwards rod. I will just fish it and have fun with it as well as my sedgewick that many say has the wrong wraps as well dave
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bobbeegee		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2774 06/09/2009 20:32	fishbates wrote: its interesting that sincliar states these are mid and tips from larger rods, Experts disagree with this as you would then have a 10 1/2 foot rod, which i dont belive they made any, and as well the butt section has little if any tapper and looks nothing like any mid on a heddon you can find, dave How do you figure if you just used a mid and tip you would have a 10 1/2' rod? Who are these experts Dave? You are correct the butt sections of the Heddon Featherlites have no swell. They were built that way. And as an aside, I'm through with this debate. Believe what you will! Bob Go Heels!!!
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bamboocollector11		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 438 06/09/2009 23:01	Dave, I posted pictures of my model #31 under a post regarding the same topic on the Collecting Bamboo Fly Rods column. My rod appears very similar if not exacly as Bob's until I removed a wrap and turned it inside out. Ed
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fishbates		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 76 06/10/2009 19:37	well if you have a 7' rod from a mid and tip would that not mean if you added the butt you would have a 10 1/2' rod? 42"X3 dave
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