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Posts: 32 06/07/2009 15:07 |
Just aquired this rod. Got as far as Dame Stoddard "Importers and Dealers" of Boston trade rod. Apparently D&S was supplied by various makers and
was a small shop oriented dealer that carried a small line of quality fishing tackle.Any signatures here indicating maker? Note the fancy treatment on the
ferrules and seat as well as ring guides. Thanks all for your valued and always interesting input.
Steve      
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bamboocollector11 |
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Posts: 436 06/07/2009 16:01 |
My guess is that it is a Chubb rod.
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Posts: 2761 06/07/2009 16:06 |
bamboocollector11 wrote: Ed, Look as if it might have a Chubb stamp on it? Bob Go Heels!!! |
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Posts: 1918 06/07/2009 16:39 |
Bob
This one has slightly fancier hardware than Montague usually used and that's why I think Chubb made it, but that stamp is the model name, "The Hub". The Hub goes way back before 1893 when at least some of them were produced by Charles Wheeler. |
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Posts: 2764 06/07/2009 17:48 |
Thanks Jeff. Very interesting.
Bob Go Heels!!! |
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Posts: 35 06/08/2009 13:34 |
I think "HUB" is the Tackle brand name.They marketed several brands.
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Posts: 453 06/09/2009 10:57 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's |
I don't have my reference materials in front of me but my recollection is that Dame, Stoddard & Co. is a name the firm used after 1900. Before this
they were Dame, Stoddard & Kendall. I'll have to double check the dates but wouldn't that make this a Montague?
Also, the Hub was both a trade name (as Jeff notes) for DS&Co. but was also the name of a Boston department store that sold fishing tackle in the nineteenth/early twentieth century. -- Dr. Todd |
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Posts: 1919 06/09/2009 13:37 |
Both Chubb and Montague were in business at the same time for over 30 years, I think. They had some items in common, certain rods and much of the hardware, and
the distinction between them was not always clear to me. When it's high-end trim, unless I know for certain via markings that it's a Monty, I will go
under the assumption that it came out of Post Mills. Perhaps I should just view unidentified trade rods as all Montys since I don't know what came out of
Post Mills in the way of trade rods once the Bartletts took it over. So far, it's difficult to say with much certainty.
Boston was sometimes referred to as the Hub, in part because of the appearance of Boston's spoked-wheel road system on the map, so Hub as a brand name became fairly common. There's still a Hub Furniture Store locally here in Maine and I bet its roots were in Boston originally. |
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Posts: 778 06/09/2009 16:15 |
Don't forget Holmes' reference to Boston as the Hub of the Solar System, and the plaque in front of Filene's that purports to mark the exact center
of the Universe.
Boston does NOT suffer from lack of ego - back quite a few years a Brahmin announced he was going to Europe; when asked how he was going to get there, he allowed as how he "believed he'd motor out through Dedham."
The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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Whitefish Press |
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Posts: 459 06/09/2009 18:37 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's |
I should have written "Montague-owned Chubb" to distinguish the pre-1891 Chubbs from the post-fire Montague-owned ones (a distinction that I fear I
am far from able to distinguish). My two best friends own pictures of the Chubb gang in front of their factory--they were a large and prolific maker,
that's for sure. I've got a great catalog cut of Chubb rod parts from a full page ad in one of the early 1880s American Anglers. If anyone thinks it
might help ID early Chubb-made rods, I can post it.
-- Dr. Todd |
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TheMontyMan |
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Posts: 129 06/09/2009 22:15 |
Steve,
I agree with the consensus above, and lean towards it coming out of the Chubb shop. The fancy ferrule knurling is reminiscent of the Bassett rods. It would help a lot to get a picture of the entire rod, with the sections laid side-by-side, so I can match up guide spacing and wraps with advertisements I have. I have found many models that retained the same winding and hardware patterns as they transitioned from ring guides to snake guides over the years. . . . Rex TheMontyMan |
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bamboocollector11 |
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Posts: 441 06/09/2009 23:33 |
I have a rod marked D. S. & K. with the word HUB underneath and the word TRADE on the left, and MARK on the right. in fact it looks exactly as the marking
on pg 243 of A.J. Campbell's book. Unfortunately this rod is not a Nichols rod, but is a Chubb salmon type rod with "spike" ferrules. DSK is
reputed to have been founded in 1883 with the name being changed to Dame Stoddard and Company around 1900. I am also fortunate to have two Dame Stoddard and
Kendall marked Nichols rods, but the markings are much different than on the HUB marked rod.
Just my 2 cents, Ed |
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moonshine |
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Posts: 36 06/10/2009 21:36 |
Rex,
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TheMontyMan |
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Posts: 135 06/10/2009 23:29 |
Steve,
Thanks for posting an extra picture. This helps. If it came out of one of the Monty shops, I'd expect some intricate signature windings near the winding check. Most Chubb rods that I've seen advertised did not have fancy signature windings. The windings on your rod match up closely, but not exactly, with a couple of Chubb rod advertisements that I have, so I feel pretty confident that it was built in the Chubb rod shop. I'd guess it was built around 1900, or before, because it has ring guides. I would defer to Dr. Todd for a closer approximation of the build date, based on the date of the DS & Co. labeling. The Chubb rod shop apparently ran fairly independent of the Montague shops from 1892, when Montague acquired the company, up until around 1930, when it was closed. Separate Chubb and Montague catalogs were produced on a regular basis. Based on the Chubb catalogs that I've seen, Montague did not make drastic changes to the Chubb rod line-up, and most models remained about the same, or progressed slowly over time to reflect changes in technology and preference. If this is true, in most cases, it may be nearly impossible to distinguish between a pre-Montague Chubb rod and a Montague-owned Chubb rod, based solely on the rod and its components. A trade label, such as the one on yours, may be the only key to determining when it was built. There were a few rod models in common between the Chubb and Montague catalogs, but for the most part, they were totally separate lines of rods, with fairly distinct character differences. I suspect that both companies supplied rods to many of the same wholesalers and retailers. I believe that Chubb's influence was a boost to Montague's hardware selection and quality. I didn't take long for Chubb hardware to make its way into the Monty line-up, but there does not seem to be a lot of Monty influence that spilled back over to the Chubb lines. Chubb reel seats and ferrules were adopted for many Montague rod models over the years. . . . Rex TheMontyMan |
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Posts: 37 06/12/2009 06:55 |
Many thanks to all. Great thread!!
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