A Boo for Big fish in a little stream?

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ET flyrods	A Boo for Big fish in a little stream?		Lead	[-]
Posts: 2 06/09/2009 17:33	Tags : None I kinda have a unique situation. 26"-30" 7-10lb trout in a 20ft wide stream. My questions is what length, taper. and weight rod? (Keep in mind , I landed a 30" trout on this water last yr on a graphite 7'6" using a 5wt line/ broke the rod in the process ...but it was my fault for high sticking upon landing) Now I'd like to land one on a boo. I'm thinking a 6ft 2pc. Lee wuff taper 5wt. Remember this is a small stream tree lined with high banks and overhanging branches. Any other opinions? And what about mine...will it handle a hard charging fish ? .thanks Ed
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Marty		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 185 06/09/2009 17:50	Please send me the gps coordinates via PM and I will test some of my tapers and then make a solid recommendation...... Seriously though that is such an odd situation.... I'm not sure a 7'6" 5 or 6 might not be the way to go. I have a 7'6" on a winston taper that has a lot of backbone and can put the wood to stop a big fish. Most of the really short sticks I have used are a bit "wandy" for fish with that kind of shoulders. Sir you have a QUALITY problem there....... How heavy a tippet can you get away with? In tight quarters like that I'd like to just sit on a rock and watch the bovine fecal matter hit the fan when you hook one!!!! That has to be positively wild in a stream that small!!!!
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Flykuni2		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 71 06/09/2009 18:20	Now this is a weird problem -- small stream, overly large fishies. Fortunately, I did encounter such a small stream two years ago. There were 12" -- 20" in there, wild and strong things. Pal Art and I solved the problem by fishing whatever the hell we wanted to fish. Which meant, for me, a 6 1/2' for DT3 Mike Clark, 7 1/2' Goodwin and 7' Howells for a DT4. Art seemed to stay with his spliced Brandin, a very light thing for a three. Art actually brought in a 22" measured thing. Your fish are larger, sorry, I'm no help.
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jayhake		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 224 06/09/2009 18:21	The Wulff Giant Killer is a 1 piece 5wt taper which I think would have no problems stopping those fish. However, I agree with Marty that you could go a little longer. There is a pretty stout 7 ft 5wt Phillipson Peerless taper in Rod DNA that would seriously put the breaks on those fish. May not be the best roll caster, but I think the longer reach would help.
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nativebrownie		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 810 06/09/2009 18:45	Any 5-6 weight cane that I have handled would be fine - try 7.5 or 7.... The Peerless would be fine ... You didn't mention if these were wild or planted fish - they fight quite differently, imo...
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bobbeegee	Unique Situation	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2770 06/09/2009 18:46	Yes, it certainly is unique. Funny, but my stepson and I encountered the same situation about three weeks ago. We had intended on fishing a small headwater stream for 6" to maybe 10" native rainbows and brooks in the upper stretches. On the way to the stream, my stepson received a call from one of his clients (let's just call him the clam king) and during the conversation he invited us to fish some private water at his gated home near Boone, NC. Well, we accepted, as this stream has some reputed monsters cruising its slicks and pools, and is no wider than 25' at its widest. Well, there you go! Ready to fish a small headwater armed with my Heddon/Folsom 7' Featherweight, I'm suddenly hooked up with a fish so large I was never able to coax it close enough to get a good bug-eyed view of it.......after playing it for a good 40 minutes!! Needless to say the hook eventually worked loose and the fish was lost. It was a bruiser with powerful headshakes and the most strong going-away vibrations I've ever felt. Well, we've been invited back and I'm still determining what rig I'm going to fish. I'll be watching this post closely for some suggestions. I can assure you it will not be the little Heddon/Folsom Featherweight! Bob Go Heels!!!
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Eric Peper		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 272 06/09/2009 19:13	I've been in a similar situation but not with bamboo. I busted a Sage 389LL on the 3rd fish I took on that stream, and switched to a Sage 690 thereafter, which was very adequate. A 9' would be worthless, however, in the three cover to which you allude. You don't mention the kinds of flies you're using for these big dudes and what kinds of presentations are required, which I think would have to dictate part of the answer. That said, I've got a 7' Phillipson that handles a DT5 that I'd enjoy trying on them. EP
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wb4tjh		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 510 06/09/2009 19:45	I know a place just like that....Dry Run Creek, which runs along side the trout hatchery just below Norfork Dam in Arkansas. It's full of huge trout, some well over 10 pounds, in a creek that is seldom over 10 or 15 feet wide. The only "catch" is that besides catch and release fishing, only those aged 16 and under are allowed to fish in it. ....Oh well. Bill Anderson, Sarsota, Fl. "Bamboo is the Benchmark in flyrods".
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AJ Bamboo		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 825 06/09/2009 20:10	might think about a young driggs
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spruce grouse		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1347 06/09/2009 20:33	AJ Bamboo wrote: might think about a young driggs Great minds think alike, AJ. (I can dream, can't I?) I was going to say a Summers 75 which is like a slightly shorter Driggs.
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FrankB		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11 06/09/2009 20:37	Here's a video of Dave Whitlock catching a very large trout on a stream about as wide as sidewalk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmcymzh52s
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czkid		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4018 06/09/2009 20:41 Moderator	AJ has the answer... any of the shorter PHY tapers... I would go with a Para15, as I wouldn't be adverse to trying to land the Pentagon with one. Paul was into nailing big fish. Ralph
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teter		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1335 06/10/2009 00:11	I would not be in a hurry to go too small. One stream I regularly fish is narrow and overgrown and has fish that probably average 14"; a 6- to 7-foot 3-weight is perfect. I also fish a stream that is vary narrow for most of its length but that is full of fairly big fish, up to a couple of feet long; I regularly catch 18-20" fish there. I do a lot of nymphing and fishing with streamers and I want a rod that is at least 7 1/2 feet and at least a 5-weight, especially in warm weather when I don't want to have a fish on the line for too long due to the heat. The other day I decided to fish an 8 1/2-foot 7-weight. I thought I was probably overgunned, and I was for most of the smaller fish. But when a 24-inch rainbow took my nymph, I was glad to have the big rod. I was able to land and release the fish fairly quickly and was more confident of its survival, and even on that rod, a fish of this size was darned good fun.
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quashnet		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2602 06/10/2009 00:59 Moderatus Muscae	The Driggs rod model was designed by Paul H. Young specifically for making short casts to big brown trout in a narrow, brushy stream, fishing beneath a canopy of overhanging alder branches. If there's room to cast a longer rod, the 7'6" and 8'0" Young models, or their equivalents by other makers, are also good. Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over 460 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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Boo.fiberglassflyro...		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 152 06/10/2009 02:48	Sounds like a job for the 6 1/2ft for 5wt Orvis Deluxe/Superfine/Battenkill! I have a 6 1/2ft/5wt Battenkill that would be perfect for what you describe.
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cwood		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 604 06/10/2009 15:12	The Driggs is the perfect taper for that type fishing (and most any other). I know the exact stream Bob mentioned in the Boone NC area. Before the yuppies from Charlotte purchased the stream and gated it off to the locals who fished it for years, I regulary landed the big fish (albeit ugly and pellet fed ) while fishing for the local wild trout on my Driggs clone. That stream was always stocked with pellet fed trout in the lower sections, but the public could still fish it until about 5 years ago; however, it still maintained a great wild trout fishery since it wasn't well managed for the mutants. Now the wild fish are basically gone since they currently put enough fish in there for a 1 year old to land them while dessimating a one time great wild trout fishery. It's a sad story when you destroy a native fishery to please a bunch of yahoos with money from out of town. Sorry, sore subject. If they are "real" fish, you have a pretty awesome and unique scenario. Oh yeah, the point is the rod........ the Driggs can do it all. CWood
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Cane Head		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2223 06/10/2009 16:13	I second the notion for one of Orvis' older short 5/6wt rods. I have several small streams here in Montana that one has the chance at a larger than normal small stream trout. I used a 7' Deluxe last year and this year I trying a 6 1/2' Deluxe on the same streams. Both handle a 5WF or 5DT just well. Another of Orvis' older rods that has plenty of back bone to handle larger fish is the Flea. While rated for a 4wt, it's tips aren't too fine, and I've taken plenty of 17" and larger fish with it. Lots of oomph for a 4wt rod. Cane
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mvinsel	big fish small stream	#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 333 06/10/2009 18:59	I've used the Hardy Palakona Phantom 6'10" for this and had a few in that size range over the years. Mine is marked as a #5 but it's much better with a DT6 for small streams. This rod has a pretty thick tip which comes in handy for rollcasting and big fish. I have another rod of the same length but a tad beefier, for a six or seven weight, made up by a friend here that's even better for this kind of thing. Sometimes where we fish for dolly varden and cutthroats in small streams here we might accidentally hook a chum or even a king salmon so that's the purpose of his custom taper. There was a string in here somewhere about a year back on this special need of rhost beefy rods, so outside the normal market of any fly rods these days but a real need for many. Thinking outside the box, this reminds me of the old hardware store 12' bamboo poles we started out fishing as kids - you could hide behind the bushes and dap dry flies then derrick them in. Twelve feet of shock absorbtion comes in handy. Sounds like fun, however you approach it. -Vinnie in Juneau
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gatroutboy		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 87 06/10/2009 20:15	I'd personally go armed with a PHY Martha Marie.... can be delicate when it needs to be....but talk about some power!!!! You could put heat even on seriously big fish...................................... Rich
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ET flyrods		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3 06/10/2009 22:59	A lot of Driggs fans I see. Maybe I should have asked before I started working on the 2pc 6' L.Wuff taper 5wt. I hate the thoughts of snapping this new rod , but I guess that could happen to any rod. I guess my question is would you chance it with the rod I'm building? I have plenty of Graphites that I can use , I'd just like to land one on a boo...... To answer some of your questions....... The stream is basically catch and release and the flys used on the fish I have caught have been a single pattern wet fly for the most part although I did catch the biggest on a dry caddis. All fish landed, had to be tailed for release. PS.... the net in that video isnt big enough............... Thanks Folks........Ed Last Edited By: ET flyrods 06/10/2009 23:15. Edited 4 times.
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quashnet		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2603 06/10/2009 23:12 Moderatus Muscae	Some of us are Young enthusiasts, but that doesn't make the Wulff taper a bad choice, or the Orvis rods for that matter. And far more rods get broken in car doors than are snapped while playing a big fish. Go for it! Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over 460 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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