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Posts: 12 08/18/2009 02:05 |
Hi-
I'm flaming some cane for a para 15 and I'm curious to hear opinions on hollowing this taper and using a vented young style grip. Thanks |
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Posts: 98 08/18/2009 02:21 |
The ventilated grip does work a bit under your hand on a Para15 usually more so with the wet tip than the dry tip. I have not hollowed a para 15 but with all
of the power coming out of the butt section it doesn't seem like a positive in terms of action. Hollowing the butt would slow down the action of the rod.
You probably would not have good control of the tip if you did hollow it since there would be so much mass out at the tip end of the rod.
Just some suggestions. Tim Zietak
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Posts: 13 08/18/2009 22:32 |
Thanks Tim-
I'll build this one solid and have a better idea what the original taper may have felt like. The ventilated grip would be different at least. Worth a try unless there are strong opinions against. Mark |
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Posts: 2728 08/19/2009 00:48 Moderatus Muscae |
I can't speak as a rod builder, but I greatly enjoy fishing a Para 15 built with a ventilated grip. This grip was built from eleven half-inch corks, each
separated by a space of about one-sixteenth inch. When the grip is wet or the weather is cold, the spaces help to keep your hand in place, perhaps a bit like
how treads on a tire help keep a car on a slippery road. The effect is subtle but perceptible, and useful when you try to make a long, well-aimed cast.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over
480 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all
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BOB NUNN |
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Posts: 13 08/20/2009 08:05 |
How is the ventilated grip constructed? It looks as if it could be glued-up and lathed to shape, then cut into sections. Or, are
individual rings glued to butt spaced, and formed to shape.Are there 'spacers' between the rings?
Is there accumulation of grit between the rings? Clean it with dental floss? BOB |
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Posts: 2733 08/20/2009 09:27 Moderatus Muscae |
See this thread for information and observations on the
ways that ventilated grips were assembled. It seems strange now that you mention it, but I have never had problems with accumulated grit or dirt in the
ventilated grip of my Para 15.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over
480 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all
who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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Posts: 57 08/20/2009 22:29 |
Quashnet,man I love that rod! always enjoy seeing pics of it.Love the cane color,vent grip,etc.
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Posts: 54 08/21/2009 08:48 |
Quashnet, as Canetuck just stated, that picture is wonderful, pure eye candy.....
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Posts: 2736 08/21/2009 10:27 Moderatus Muscae |
Thank you. PHY Para 15 #4378 is certainly a very dark rod. In these photos it is shown with a Para 17 built by Paul H. Young.
#4378 was originally a varnished rod, finished on September 20, 1967 by Bob Summers for its first owner, Bob Church. When second owner Malcolm B. "Mac" Seaholm bought/traded for the rod in the 1970's, he had Bob Summers strip the varnish and make it into an oil-finish rod, which he preferred. A couple of inches of cane at the front of the cork grip are varnished to protect the inked lettering. 
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Posts: 14 08/22/2009 02:12 |
Thanks for the pics. What would be a good cork glue for the ventilated grip?
Mark |
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quadrate |
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Posts: 103 08/22/2009 03:27 |
Mark,
I've always used Titebond II and have never had a problem. I have made some rods with ventilated grips usually on parabolic rods where the grip can flex a bit. Tim Zietak |
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dshx |
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Posts: 61 08/25/2009 12:49 |
I acquired a PHY kit rod of Ernest Schwiebert that ES had originally built with a cigar grip. I prefer a Wells-type grip (and a PHY rod with a cigar grip just
looks odd to my mind) so I asked Bob Summers to replace it with a ventilated half-Wells. I recall speaking with him quite a while ago about the strength of
ventilated grips and he thought a grip that had the cork rings glued conventionally together but then turned down at intervals to "ventilate" may
provide more strength than one in which the rings are not glued contiguously (this is not to say the latter is necessarily weak). Not having fished both
types, I can't say if one flexes noticeably more than the other but I would suspect there is a difference.
Here are a few photos. --Dwight 
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quashnet |
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Posts: 2740 08/26/2009 23:31 Moderatus Muscae |
The handle is an attractive variation on the Young ventilated grip. Is it known whether "Doc Schwiebert" refers to Ernest Schwiebert, Sr., the Ph.D.
historian?
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over
480 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all
who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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Posts: 62 08/27/2009 00:08 |
Bob:
I admit I had not considered the possibility of the rod originally belonging to his father. I picked up the rod at a recent Lang auction where other items of ES's were offered. There was not much information available about the rod. In fact, I recall it was not even identified as a Paul Young rod in the catalog. --Dwight |
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Posts: 15 10/13/2009 23:35 |
Thanks for the suggestions on the taper and the grip. The ventilated grip feels fantastic while casting. Next week I hope to experience a big White River
brown on the end of the line.
Mark 
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Posts: 15 10/15/2009 09:05 |
Mark, I think that is the most nicely shaped ventilated grip I have ever seen. Good luck with that rod.
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Posts: 32 10/28/2009 14:50 |
Very nice looking rod Mark, and you went nodeless to boot!
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Posts: 18 10/29/2009 00:10 |
Thanks for the props- the rod didn't make it to Arkansas yet. Blame it on the flu. The ventilated grip improves the "traction" with my smaller
hands during lawn casting at least. The rod feels more lively than the other Youngs I made of similar length. The vented grip on a Driggs I'm finishing
impacts the feel more dramatically than the Para 15. It accentuates the qualities I like in a rod- allows me to feel much more connected with the whole
experience.
Mark 
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WatercolorMan |
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Posts: 1525 11/10/2009 06:32 |
Here is a photo of Bob's variation of the Driggs. I've said it before this may be the best grip i've used for me on a rod in this size range. I was
casting the rod today and the more I use it the more I like it.
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