New (to me) Carlin 6'3" midge rod modified from a Winston taper. 3/2 configuration for a 3 weight line, flamed cane with blued hardware. Perfect for
the smaller streams here in western NC.
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 cregb |
Carlin 6'3" modified Winston taper | #1321 | ||
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Posts: 51 08/04/2009 15:12 |
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 cdmoore |
Looks good with the SM-1! | #1322 | ||
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Posts: 2955 08/04/2009 15:59 Moderator |
Nice
"If you finish in 7 days, I'll pay you for 10. If you finish in 10 days, I'll pay you for 7." ~Ballykissangel
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Coldreive |
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Posts: 182 08/04/2009 16:35 |
Beautiful rod and if I may say a beautiful picture as well .
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cregb |
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Posts: 52 08/04/2009 19:40 |
Thanks for the compliments! Here's a few more photos(with less than stellar lighting...). I like fishing this rod a great deal as I can roll cast easily
and still punch out 30 feet of line when I encounter a longer run. IMHO, Chris gave this rod an elegant yet understated appearance with the blued hardware,
olive wraps, and olivewood spacer.
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quashnet |
PHY Para 17 #2226 | #1325 | ||
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Posts: 2715 08/13/2009 02:05 Moderatus Muscae |
Paul H. Young Co. Parabolic 17. Serial #2226 dates the rod to about 1956, 8'6", 2/2, wet and dry tips, varnished flamed cane, 2X2 node spacing on wet
tip, basically 3X3 node spacing with some node staggering on dry tip, 3X3 node spacing on butt. Half Wells grip, bright downlocking screwlock seat over cork
with fixed two-inch all-cork extension butt, "Detroit" stamp on butt cap, bronze-brown wraps to match cane colors, decorative bronze-brown spiral
wraps at base of female ferrule on butt section, and tiptop on wet tip; decorative deep red spiral wraps at base of male ferrule and tiptop on dry tip. Super-Z
ferrules with encircled-Z logo on female ferrule. Hookkeeper. Inked on butt in PHY's handwriting on two flats, First flat: Lloyd Lawson - Dearborn Mich. Second flat: "Parabolic 17" 8 1/2 - 5.45 oz. Also
marked #2226 on butt near stripping guide. Wet tip marked 2226 - Wet - G.B.F.
Dry tip marked 2226 - Dry - H.C.H. Original owner may have been Lloyd Lawson of E&L Transport Co., Dearborn, MI
who during World War II designed a custom dual-engine Ford truck used to haul military bomber aircraft parts to factories for final assembly.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over
480 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all
who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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teter |
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Posts: 1382 08/13/2009 18:57 |
Bob,
Great rod, and the possible provenance is very interesting. |
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paxlev |
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Posts: 832 08/13/2009 20:53 |
Quashnet, cool rod! Not being able to decipher the code, what line weight? 7 wf? Ric
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quashnet |
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Posts: 2718 08/14/2009 00:48 Moderatus Muscae |
There are line conversion charts in books and on the web, like this
one. They provide a starting point for figuring out which modern lines to try. Generally an HCH is often thought to be comparable to a DT7, and a GBF to a
WF8. But I frequently like a DT line even for parabolic tips, and sometimes I have found that after I gain some experience with a rod I can drop down a line
size and get better results. Thus far I have cast both the dry tip and the parabolic tip on this Para 17 with a line that I think is a DT7. The dry tip was good. The parabolic tip flopped around until I got 25 feet of line out and it started to work OK.
With more line out I got lucky on the haul and all of a sudden the line shot way, way out there and
got tangled in some bushes, and as I plucked leader knots out of the foliage I thought, Oh, this is going to be fun...
A lot of those old Michigan guys went to Florida each winter. I wonder if Lloyd Lawson fished this Para 17 in saltwater. I also wonder what it would be like to stand on the edge of a Cape Cod estuary at dawn, watching striped bass banging bait as I string up this rod. Man, that would be sheer madness. Somebody stage an intervention, quick.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over
480 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all
who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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paxlev |
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Posts: 836 08/14/2009 17:58 |
Quashnet, I know some of my classic bamboo rod books provide information on what the old line codes translate to as far as modern fly lines/weights. I was just
too lazy to pick up one of my books and look; plus, a retired Dentist in Corrales, NM, who builds bamboo rods built and fishes, in the Bahamas, a Young Para
17. I figured the rod must be at least a 7 weight in order to tackle bones, tarpon, etc... Ric
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JimP.fishnbanjosplace |
Dickerson 8013 | #1330 | ||
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Posts: 88 08/15/2009 10:18 |
   
Dickerson 8013. The tube is marked 1943 in two places but I don't believe Lyle made rods during WWII. But. likely from the 40's according to John Pickard. JimP |
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quashnet |
PHY Para 17, first fish | #1331 | ||
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Posts: 2721 08/15/2009 19:01 Moderatus Muscae |
That Dickerson is wonderful, and it is great to see the original hooded rod bag as well. There are a few Young rods with hooded bags too. Now we look can
forward to a photo of the 8013 with your first fish. Here is my first fish taken on PHY Para 17 #2226:
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over
480 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all
who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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JimP.fishnbanjosplace |
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Posts: 89 08/15/2009 20:34 |
Wow Congratulations Quashnet!! Beautiful fish and Rod! Me, heck, I can't seem to find time to fish so I go out and buy more tackle....
JimP |
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paxlev |
find time for the 8013 | #1333 | ||
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Posts: 838 08/15/2009 22:58 |
Jim, you have to find the time with that rod. Ric |
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czkid |
Interesting Grip/Reel Seat | #1334 | ||
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Posts: 4102 08/16/2009 22:15 Moderator |
Quash;
What do you know about the style of the grip/reel seat on your Para17? Was that a standard configuration or was it an option. My Para17 grip set up is exactly like my Para15. Ralph |
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quashnet |
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Posts: 2722 08/16/2009 23:20 Moderatus Muscae |
There were five standard reel seat configurations available in the 1950's. Little trout rods would typically have either dual rings over cork, or cap and ring. The third available configuration was the
downlocking screwlock seat over cork, which was "our own design and make," according to the Young catalog. It
is a very successful design, and examples can be seen on all the standard Parabolic models, like Ralph's Para 15 and Para 17. But sometimes the bigger rods
have a cap and ring seat, and sometimes smaller rods like the Driggs and the Martha Marie have a screwlock seat.
The fourth and fifth reel seat configurations are just the screwlock seat with the addition of two different options of extension butt. PHY Para 17 #2226 shows the fourth configuration: screwlock seat plus a two-inch, permanently attached, cork extension butt. The photo shows two Para 17s, one with the screwlock seat only, the other (rod #2226) with the addition of the two-inch fixed butt. My guess is that if Paul Young knew that you intended to use your Para 17 for heavy trout, he might use only the screwlock seat, but if he knew you intended to fish in saltwater or for salmon, he might add the extension butt. 
The fifth option was the screwlock seat with a longer, removable extension butt, intended for the very biggest saltwater and salmon rods.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of over
480 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all
who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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teter |
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Posts: 1392 08/26/2009 23:46 |
My new Phillipson Premium, an 8-footer. These were Phillipson's top-of-the-line rods. This one has the characteristic hammer handle, black and gold silk
wraps and black anodized reel seat.
With my 7 1/2-foot and 8 1/2-foot Premiums. |
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Flyman615 |
Bristol (Edwards) F-12 | #1337 | ||
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Posts: 3368 08/30/2009 20:26 |
I've been a fan of Edwards rods for some time. Lately I've been looking for an 8-foot, high grade Bristol to add to my small collection. Recently I
found this example on a well-known internet auction site and was shocked to win it for less than $100.
It's an original 3/2 F-12 wrapped in the classic black & white jasper tipped red. All the rod needed was a general clean-up and polishing. It's straight and tight and casts a WF-5-F like nobody's business.
Regards,
Flyman 
"There are three things in life that people like to stare at: a flowing stream, a crackling fire and a Zamboni clearing the ice."-Charlie Brown |
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Alaric11 |
Green River Rawson Place | #1338 | ||
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Posts: 33 09/12/2009 10:24 |
I hope this new arrival means that Mr Gorman is feeling 100% again and back at the craft he loves. I am a Hamlet-like, notorious "order modifier",
and I went from Mettowee to Rawson Place , and I thought back to
Mettowee (I thought impregnation on a boulder clambering, brushy brook stream rod would add durability and
crispness). Anyway, a 7' 3wt Rawson Place arrived today---and I'm happy to have it. I've lawn cast the rod
and it has a smooth, progressive taper---the kind I like. Mr Gorman says his tapers have a Thomas & Thomas feel and heriatge---so I think this is a good
description. I'm using a WF-3 since Ed Engle indicated he liked these on the 7' 3wt by Gorman that he tried. I'll try and get up to some Allegheny
brook trout streams in the next days to fish it. It has been raining so that looks promising.
The wraps are gorgeous. The reel seat looks like a spalted maple---I know he collects/ salvages wood near his Vermont workshop. Green River socks and tubes are without peer, and it came with a ferrule plug. Oh--- the socks come with a rigid stick sewn in for easy return to the tube when there is but the single tip to protect while fishing.
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Posts: 1446 09/12/2009 13:50 |
Your Bougle V is the perfect match ! Enjoy
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teter |
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Posts: 1408 09/12/2009 13:51 |
Nice. The wraps go beautifully with that Bougle.
I just acquired a couple of W&M Granger 8642's, a Premier and a Champion. The Premier is the second-highest grade of Granger rods, the Champion the lowest. But this lowly Champion is kind of interesting because W&M seems to have offered the grade for only one year after acquiring Granger -- 1946. This one has the old sliding band reel seat characteristic of the prewar Goodwin Granger Champions, but the seat is marked Wright & McGill. By 1947, the Champion had been replaced by the Stream & Lake, with plain red wraps and the patented Granger screwlock seat. 
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