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floodtide |
Who made my reel | #21 | ||
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Afgan hello again, Thanks for the information.Using a right hand thread for the drum locking screw is one of the classic errors made with these foreigners'
i.e. reels made in a factory surreptitiously when the machinist should have be making bits for aeroplanes or motor cars or whatever.It was probably produced in
an enterprise which wasn't sufficiently advanced technologically speaking to keep a stock of LH threaded taps in the stores and requesting one would have
required some explaining. The alternative is that it was produced by someone in his home workshop who didn't either consider the aquisition of a LH tap was
justified - or was unfamiliar with the need for it. It is also possible that he knew little or nothing about fishing reels and simply made it for a friend.
this is not criticism of his talents - but a deduction from the evidence ( which can be wrong of course). The reason for saying this is that if he was an
angler he would be presumably conversant with many reels - even if he had never owned them or used them. If this is right then he would have known that the way
to secure the drum against unwinding the retaining screw would have been to use a drop latch. This would have been simpler to produce on both the face of the
drum and on the spindle.I can only speak for this country when I say that the 1950s date would have been a little early for it to have been made. At that time
this country was still recovering from the effects of the war, all work in the factories over here was subject to rigid time and motion studies and if you
wanted to earn your bonus you simply didn't have time to spare for making other artifacts - there was no spare time. This fact alone suggest it was not
made over here during that period - but as I said I cannot speak for working conditions in your country. Add to this the difficulty in obtaining the materials
from which the reel is made and you can understand why I would push the date of manufacture forward to nearer the 1970s. Setting all that aside you would need
to consider the circumstances which obtained in your country at the time to see whether you could either agree or disagree with what I have said here.Another
factor which would impact on it being made during the 1950s would be the virtual non existence of small lathes in back garden sheds or workshops. There are of
course many of these around today but they are a relatively recent phenomenon - again the situation in your country may well be different. Notwithstanding
anything written here, the reel has been made by a competent machinist and justifiably deserves the praise which recognition of that fact confers upon it. It
could have been produced even under some of the difficulties outlined here and it will always serve as a reminder of the ingenuity of of our fellow man in not
allowing any abundance of problems which he may have had to face - to defeat him.
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afgantrout |
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Floodtide, There are so many mysteries about this reel. Even though it seems to be more of an American design, there are many aspects that seem to be more
British to me...such as; the amount of brass/bronze (as in the base the reel foot is attached to), the shape, look and feel of the handle, and most of all, the
flush (or slightly recessed position of the reel foot.
As I mentioned earlier, in my limited experience I am not familiar with many American reels (from this relatively contemporary time frame)using this type of foot-mounting. What do you and the other reel mavens think of this idea? About your speculation on whether or not it was made by a moonlighting employee or a home hobbyist...if it was made during tough economic times, why couldn't it have been made by someone like Ed Hewitt or some other wealthy hobbyist? Just some thoughts. |
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floodtide |
Who made my reel | #23 | ||
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Afgan good evening, I regret I don't know Ed Hewitt - or any other wealthy hobbyist but my thinking tells me that it is unlikely E.H. made this reel.
I'm assuming that E.H. would be interested in fishing and would therefore want to make the reel the best it could be - and it clearly falls short of that.
The foot and the bridge it sits upon is lacking in the quality and care which the rest of the components advertise. Unfortunately we can't see enough of
this part of the reel to make a judgement concerning their origin - but certainly the foot looks as if it began life elsewhere. The point here is the stated
'wealth' of the 'hobbyist' possibly responsible for the manufacture of the reel. My experience of people identified as belonging in this
category would be satisfied with nothing less than perfection. And if 'wealth' is present then nothing would be spared in the pursuit of that
excellence. I think you have to look further down the ladder if you are going to spot the maker. I suggested that to arrive at a sensible conclusion ( not
necessarily the correct one) that all factors have to be taken into consideration, ie. we can say it was made by a competent machinist who lacked detailed
knowledge of fishing reels, that it was made during a period of some austerity, and in all likelyhood made by 'moonlight'.Someone with detailed
knowledge would not have secured the drum by means of a RH threaded locking screw when other methods both simple and effective could have been used if known
about.. Personal austerity precluded the purchase of a company manufactured reel, and finally a reasonable conclusion would be that it was made for a friend
rather than for his own use.
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whatsleft2 |
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Sherlock..........................is that you??? ..........! Sherlock........................??
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floodtide |
Who Made My Reel | #25 | ||
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Yes! Dr.Whatsleft ................ it is I. |
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afgantrout |
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Dr. Floodtide,
I wasn't suggesting that Ed Hewitt made this reel, only that someone of that ilk may have made it. Hewitt was wealthy and a perfectionist but the reels he made wouldn't fit your description. They are innovative with many unique features taken from a number of popular reels (raised pillars, roller bar, and a multi-point drag),but aesthetically I don't think they would pass your test. Among other things, Hewitt created the Bi-visible dry fly and introduced it to the British Isles. Lord Someone had his fly dresser turn this pattern into a tandem treble hooked loch fly which can be seen in Hardy Anglers Guides from the thirties onward. I think it may be called "Loch Ordie". You can see Hewitt's reels in "A Treasury of Reels" and also in the Langs auction catalogs over the last several years. At any rate...I'd be happy just knowing on which side of the Atlantic my reel was made. |
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floodtide |
Wo made my reel | #28 | ||
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Afgan good evening, thanks for the further information, I note what you say - including Ed Hewitt's being a perfectionist' which could be deduced
from your previous post. I am sure I irritate many readers from time to time - possibly even all the time. This isn't deliberate it arises from the
different way we approach questions and the answers we arrive at. I am neither better or worse - just different (hopefully). I can only respond the way I see
things and I do where possible attempt to give the reasons why or how I come to those conclusions.
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floodtide |
Who Made My Reel | #29 | ||
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Is your blank post a clue Dr. Whats(on)left? if so forgive me for being too dense to understand it. Regards Floodtide.AKA Sherlock |
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MARLINS MAN |
REEL MAKER ???? | #30 | ||
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BOB HASKIL BUXTON ,MAINE THE DRAG SYSTEM IS A GIVE AWAY ?????
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whatsleft2 |
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Just an acknowledgement at returned good humor Holmes............now off to the opium den with us...........!!
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afgantrout |
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MarlinsMan... Tell me more! Please!
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floodtide |
Who made my reel. | #33 | ||
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Whats(on)left, thanks for the invitation- can't wait to get hooka'd up with you in the den. Perhaps we could then mentally 'fly' off down to Xanadu and meet up with Kubla and see how he's getting on with his 'joint'. Sherlock. PS. by the way - I was only pretending I couldn't read your blank message but I suspect you know that. I hope you won't object to me sharing it with others who might not have understood it, it says: - "Sherlock, you leave me speechless." Regards fellow traveller it's good to know you're on the path. Floodtide. |
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afgantrout |
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Hey, Holmes and Watson...I think you should start a new thread on the Classic "High" Forum. Of course, if you think a nice hit of opium might lead
to insight as to the maker of my reel...why then...Carry on!
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floodtide |
Who made my reel? | #35 | ||
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Afgan. Im still awaiting the return of Watson from Zanadu, I knew it was a mistake to leave him alone with Kubla in the Pleasure Dome but I'm hoping
he'll turn up soon. Because I believe your suggestion has merit and because it is true that - There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamed of
in the philosophy of this Forum (Spokeshave) we should be able to track down the information you seek.
Meanwhile - I'm still thinking. (Jerry Lee Lewis - Little Queenie) Sherlock ( AKA Floodtide ) |
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Floodtide, Welcome back from Xanadu! Whilst pleasuring yourself in the Dome, some other Forum members have suggested the reel in question might be by Robert
Haskell of Maine. I don't believe he (Haskell) was an associate of Kubla or Chaka or even Olivia Newton John. However, your quote of the Killer reminded me
that at a Hall of Fame dinner at the Catskill Museum a year ago, I ended the evening drinking with Art Lee and vaguely remember the topics of conversation
were: Belarmino Martinez, General Franco, and Jerry Lee Lewis. It was a fine evening all in all.... maybe I should ask Art about that reel...he knows
everything.
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At the risk of breaking the flow of the rather hallucinogenic twist this thread has taken, I would like to offer an alternative theory on this beautiful reel.
If it does indeed date to the 1930s and 1940s, it is possible it was made at a trade school as a final project. An acquaintance of mine has several reels made
at trade schools--including an absolutely stunning Kentucky reel that works as nicely as any Talbot and has wonderful engraving, and that is also marked with
the maker's name, the date, and the Brooklyn machinist school from which the maker obviously was affiliated. He owns another hand-made fly reel with
similar markings from a Cleveland industrial school. A third reel he owns has no markings but came from an estate complete with the final project grade slip
(of less quality than the other two despite the fact it received a high pass). So one possibility is that it was machined in an advanced trade course, and as
the number of highly-qualified machinists needed due to WWII increased a hundred fold over night, lots and lots of men and women were given access to materials
and tools that could easily have machined a high quality reel such as this. Just a thought. -- Dr. Todd
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afgantrout |
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Dr. Todd!
I just chanced on this thread which I thought had been forgotten! I've been working for you ...right up to this minute...finishing a second drawing hopefully for Patrick Garners ' Edwards book. It will be finished by morning and I'll send a scan of the two to Pat in the morning. About this reel, I've been researching it from the time I got MarlinMan's tip that it may be by Robert Haskell. Since then, I've talked with Maine artist Arthur Taylor who gave me the number of Steve Taylor (who is soon publishing a book on his father, Robert...titled "Fly Reel in a Bottle"). Alas, Steve does not believe the reel was made by his father...so, I'm back to point A, and still very curious about who may have made it. I hope to talk with you soon. Best regards, Michael |
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