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cwood |
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Can someone give a little history about Mr. Brandin. He is obviously on the list of "elite" makers; however, the only reason I know this is by simply
observing the ginormous prices his rods sell for on the secondary market. I'm not trying to start anything negative, just wondering what the history is of
this maker that creates such a buzz around his rods. Thanks.
CWood
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creakycane |
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I know he learned a thing or two from late Peter Phelps in NY, had a shop on the east coast then, then CA, now North east these days. Shared a shop with Mario
Wojnicki for a time... I've heard Per is quite an accomplished photographer.....Quads and hex's, hollow and solid builts and apparently not taking
orders these days. Made more than a few salmon/steelhead rods. The prices are near the top of the current makers, if not the top. I suppose the small numbers
produced, the r and d into the tapers and the froth created by long waiting lists allows for such prices to be asked and obtained (His rod prices are the going
price at delivery time, now when ordered). There is a market for these rods.
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SecondHandWolf |
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There is a long section on him in George Black's book - Casting a Spell. |
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Hipgnosis |
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Creaky,
Who was Peter Phelps? Thanks, Mike
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CustomCane |
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May I cut in here? I realize that your question is addressed to Creaky, but I would like to offer some information.
Peter Phelps was part owner in a fly shop, The Bedford Sportsman (Bedford Hills, NY), in the late '70s and early '80s. He learned to make bamboo fly rods from Hoagy Carmichael, then set up a rod making shop in his home. As he spent many hours in the store, eventually he set up a work space there to continue making rods while at the fly shop. He sold his rods through his store and through another fly shop in Pennsylvania. He was developing an excellent reputation and a good following. I recall one of his rods going for a high price at an auction in PA. He took on two "students" who learned a few things about rodmaking from him and got them started. They were Per Brandin and myself. Not long after that, Peter passed away from cancer. jwg
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paxlev |
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I believe, for what its worth, that Per has suspended taking any further orders giiven his backlog. I have two orders in, both placed about 3.5 years ago, and
was hoping that I was getting to a point of maybe a two year wait on my first order. Per advised me about 2 months ago that my first order delivery date was
still between 3 to 5 years off. That said, I believe it will be worth the wait given that, in my perception, his rods are among the most desired rods, if not
the most desired rods, of the living builders. R
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pcg |
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I agree with the "most desired" description. But it's a hell of a way to run a business. Six to eight years before delivery of a rod? That makes
utterly no sense on so many levels that I won't even begin to list the contradictions.
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jz2 |
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the backlog is probably why he isn't taking new orders. He doesn't require a deposit, so potential buyers are at no risk. I'd cut any full time rod
maker some slack. as much as we'd like them to be building 24/7, any custom builder deserves some time off for family, fishing and other interests. As much
as rod building is a passion, it's also a job for a full time builder.
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Trout120 |
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You folks actually want to wait that long for a rod knowing you'll also have to pay whatever the price is when it's finished?????
T120
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jz2 |
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like most builders I'm sure that Per has buyers who can't complete the purchase. I'm sure those flyrods are eagerly snapped up by the next person
on the list. I have two. I wish I'd ordered 3 or 4 different sizes/line wts back in the day.
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lestrout |
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jwg - do I recall correctly that Peter Phelps was also an accomplished artist? I recall some beautiful paintings.
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Trout120 |
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What separates Per's rods from the other top rated rodmakers?
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cwood |
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Thanks for the comments. Pretty much what I anticipated. Some say the tapers are great, others say the wait and price creates the hype. I was mainly
wondering if he has a direct lineage to the historical masters, similar to Aroner, Carpenter, Summers, ect. It sounds like he has created his market on his
own. Thanks again.
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firehole |
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I wonder if he raises his prices when he's not taking orders? I don't care how good he is and I know he's good but to pay the price at delivery
time posssibly 5 years out isn't my cup of tea. I'm more than satisfied to be taking delivery of a Sweetgrass quad rod next month and in 14 months a
Mike Spittler quad both of whom have connections to masters.
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CustomCane |
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Les,
Yes, Peter was also a talented artist. And as an additional feature with a custom-made rod, he often included a drawing of that rod containing all its specs. jwg |
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cwood |
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I agree, Firehole. I always forget to mention the historical connections Bracket et al. have, being that I'm an East Coaster. Either way, I would like to
cast one of Per's rods. Thanks for the comments.
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bluno |
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His prices are still too cheap!
He has to raise his prices until he has only 1 to 2 years waiting time.
I think, the fact he is not asking for a deposit creates many orders by investors. There is nothing to loose by ordering one rod from him! Either they can fish it or in the worst case they can sell the rod immediately on the market without any loss (and maybe even some profit). If their financial situation will be not so good in 5 to 8 years, they simply don't take the rod. Because there is no money down, there is no loss. He takes the full risk. Everyone should order some rods from him.
I'm sure if for some reason the interest (prices) for his rods are going down the waiting list will be short immediately. bluno |
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firehole |
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cwood,
FYI Mike Spittler has been building quad rods for over 30 years and just recently retired from his teaching job. His connections to masters is Carlson(which you can the influence), Brackett and Summers. Mike has flown under radar IMHO to view his quads go to Rick Sorenson's site www.westslopefly.com I would love to have one Per Brandin's rods too but I'll wait for a smokin deal before I pay what they're going for now. Dennis
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16 pmd |
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Maybe I can provide a different perspective on Per and his rods. I have cast a bunch of his rods and own a couple, so have some experience with them. Those
rods are certainly among the finest rods I've ever cast and fished. I think Per has a very unusual combination of talents that show in his rods. Other
rodmakers also may have similar talents, but few, in my opinion, have them all.
Per is an outstanding caster and angler, who can feel very subtle differences in actions and identify how a rod is bending and whether it's to his satisfaction. Among rodmakers, there are very few who can judge casting qualities as well and have that feel for action. As a tournament caster, he definitely understands casting as few others do. Glenn B. does come to mind. He's a very analytical guy who has studied rods by buying them to see how they work, miking them, comparing notes with other makers, etc. He has an extensive taper library he created from rods he owned or borrowed. A look at the strobe photo on his website (and other photos he has) gives an idea of how he analyzes a casting stroke. Per has the very rare talent of knowing what a change in tapers will do to the feel and action of a rod. Doug Merrick of Winston had that ability, but most others have to sort of feel their way along in more of a cut-and-try way. Per's rods are mostly hollowbuilt and hollow into the tip section, where it really counts. Among all current builders he was in the first few who realized the benefits of redistributing dead weight out of the tip section on the action of the rod. His rods have a lightness and recovery that are difficult to match and basically not possible without hollowing. His tapers and actions are, in my opinion, as good as they get. More generally, Per is an innovator who's tried many experiments to improve his rods. That's part of the reason he doesn't make as many rods as other makers who stick to the tried-and-true. Micro ferrules, staggered butts, spliced joints, hollow quads, spey rods, tournament tapers and many other experiments (some successful, some not) have contributed to the development of the craft. Per's craftsmanship in the wood is certainly outstanding. Though I'm not qualified to judge node-by-node as a rodmaker could, I can definitely see the high level of his woodwork and have heard other makers talk about the high regard they have for his work. As to whether he worked in the mother shops of Leonard, Payne, Young, etc., I don't think that matters as much as the time he's spent sharing ideas with and studying the work of other builders, both eastern and western. Though he's from the East and is friends with most of the prominent builders (Aroner, Gray, Dorsey, Carmichael, Carpenter, etc.) there, he's also spent time in the West and knows well Glenn and the guys at Sweetgrass, Tom Morgan, interviewed extensively those who worked with E.C. Powell, shared a shop with Mario Wojnicki and made rods for the discriminating caster/anglers at the Golden Gate Angling & Casting Club. He's one of the few makers who's been part of both the eastern and western bamboo rod traditions. People understandably may not like his pricing and waiting time, but to dismiss his rods and his skills because of them would be a mistake, especially without ever trying one. He has a combination of talents that is rare, if not unique. It's defintely not just hype. Whether his rods are worth the money and the wait is up to the buyer. |
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cwood |
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16 pmd,
Thanks for the comments. Very informative. CWood |
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16 PMD,
Well stated! I could not agree more with your insightful assessment of Per's abilities and craftsmanship when it comes to his work with split cane. I too was fortunate to cross paths with Per in the early 1990's, and had the good fortune of having him craft me one of his 8'0", 3/2, DT5F hollow built rods which is one of my favorite go to rods for its pure casting/fishing joy. You are absolutely correct; his work is the equal of the Old Masters, and any bamboo aficionado would be doing himself a injustice by not taking the opportunity to cast one of Per's rods...no hype! Many of my angling friends have also ended up with Per's 805-3df HB, and they would also agree with your comments… and they have no shortage of the Old Master's rods to compare against, i.e. Payne 201's, Maxwell Leonard 50 df's & Hunt 50 df's, Summers 856's, Carlson, etc. As you say, price & time is a separate issue.
Best, Pkwyangler
PS I am only sorry I did not have the foresight as you to have Per build me a second rod after the first… when I was younger! |
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