You ain't seen nothin yet!!
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Trout120 |
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And folks thought they were expensive now (made in England)??
You ain't seen nothin yet!! T120
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bulldog1935 |
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Scott, as always, lucid and straight to the point.
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whatsleft2 |
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Too me Hardy left us a long time ago.......I stated this in a similar thread a few months ago..........when marquis(or was it
viscount........nice......sheesh!!!!) came out with plastic castle logo spool releases.......when Hardy dropped the original perfect.........when the st
geroges in small sizes were killed.........etc.etc.etc..........! except for 1 or 2 models which I find of slight interest there really isn't anything
Hardy makes that I'm interested in now.....so I dont care where they make them.....its not an issue of quality with me.....Im sure they are going to be
just as well made where they are being outsourced........maybe even better....after all..when you've collected enough hardys over the years.......well lets
face it........some of the machining wasn't always that great............anyways its the tradition that I hold on too and the tradition of Hardy remains
safe in me with my old Hardy tackle!
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reelcollector |
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Not being a newbie to collecting is a relief, it IS going to be more expensive, I believe my Hardys are all CA pre outsourceing.
Thankful for that, just have to be more selective now. This forum is so enjoyable. |
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tedgolden |
English reels and American rods. Amen. | #45 | ||
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Scott, I think you have summed it up very well, at least from my perspective. And DrakeBob, you too share my sentiment about the last "new" Hardy
reel of any interest.
We are probably in some kind of weird time capsule about which the rest of the world cares not a wit. I reciprocate. |
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DrakeBob |
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We are probably in some kind of weird time capsule about which the rest of the world cares not a wit. I reciprocate.
You got it, Drew. Hardy isn't pandering to this crowd, that's for sure. |
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Rockthief |
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I expect the delightful and delicious Hardy Girl will be looking for another firm to represent, although her place in history is clearly with Hardy.
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Soft Hackle |
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In my own personal time capsule I fantasize that I am a black sheep offspring of English or Scottish aristocratic country stock. I live in a secluded cottage
on the estate property, perhaps in Yorkshire. I drive a vintage Jaguar, meticulously maintained by the family mechanic , smoke a Charatan, drink the finest
single malt, and have managed to while away my adult life cavorting with lovely ladies , fishing and accumulating fine tackle; many vintage Hardy, Dingley and
Young reels, along with many fine rods imported from the colonies.
Never in my fantasy have I longed for a new Hardy, my preference being for pre-war, WW1 that is. I guess it doesn't really matter to me what they are doing now or where they are doing it. This news allows me to treasure my 2 screw lightweights even more . It seemed the company was petering out as did Young, perhaps they will recover with this move and perhaps not. The best outcome would be if they folded and started again as a small shop in the manner of Young, catering exclusively to folks like us.
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pcg |
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Soft, you've beautifully summarized the emotion of all of us romantics. The only thing you excluded was assurances that your "secluded cottage"
is well heated. But a glorious fantasy for sure...
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Rockthief |
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softhackle, that is a fine fantasy worthy of more sweet dreams rich with romance. I hope there is a bottle of fine Irish in your stone pantry for cheerful
toasts upon my visit, me with a worn fedora, a proper leather vest and high boots. Ahhhh!
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EGFB |
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I have many doubts about your fantasy in deepest Yorkshire! However I know a man who fits your description....re the lifestyle. As for heating in a cottage
in deepest Yorkshire - you would nowadays be in luck! Long gone are the days when there was one coal fire and the rest of the house an icebox! In Scotland
likewise.....so come on over and enjoy your single malt in the land where it is made!
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EGFB |
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Rockthief wrote: Irish?......OK?......especially with a worn fedora, proper leather vest and high boots....Me thinks the Hardy Girl would look just the ticket in that!
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the abandoned brane |
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in the world of yachting, Tartan was a fine boat. highly revered and sought after. during the last 10 years, much of Tartan yachts supplies have come from
asia, and well, they're crap it appears. Tartan owners are embarrassed about the company.
so Hardy has dumped themselves into the pile of asian made crapola. there will be some that couldn't care less. I'm not one of them. my rods and reels are made in the US. and more and more, I find myself looking at the products country of origin before making a purchase. hopefully, this will bring the demise of Hardy. Hardy is nothing more than a name anymore. |
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afgantrout |
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Drake, My father took me to one game at Ebbetts Field (Dad was a Brooklyner), and twice to Wm. Mills & Son. I virtually lost interest in baseball after
the Dodgers moved...but my lust and mania for Leonards and Hardys has only increased since Mills closed shop. I frequently wonder about this equation...(and
also, 'the meaning of life'!)
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DrakeBob |
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Ah, Leonard and Hardy... great double play combo in '54, I believe it was?
Funny you should resurrect this thread, afgan... I was talking with someone yesterday who reminded me of the brouhaha from the traditionalists when Hardy went from the 2-screw to the 1-screw line guard on the lightweight series and how a lot were saying at the time that they would never buy another Hardy product. He concluded by saying, "We have seen the past, and it is us!" Bob
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AndyTrufflepig |
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I join this thread incredibly late and have missed all the fun but have been very busy finishing our film "The Lost World of Mr Hardy". Although our
film is completely independent I feel I do have to jump in and rectify a couple of things posted previously. We filmed at Alnwick several times last year and
what we saw contradicts some earlier posts. Graphite rods are indeed still made, rolled, whipped and finished at Hardy's plant there. On the bamboo front
they also still make the Gladstone and the C.C. de France. Interestingly we did have several discussions with Richard Sanderson the M.D. about the long slack
years at Hardy's. This was most illuminating however I must say that there was a limit to how much we could include in the final film (it is a mere 95
minutes). However they do now see themselves as a Design, Sales and Marketing company which must bring a frown to every devotee. It can't be easy running a
company with such a reputation and history though. I think the word 'millstone' was mentioned. I really do understand the pain and difficulty that must
cause. To paraphrase Richard, "the market is about Performance and Classic and Classic is only about 10 percent of the business". what to do? In
making our film we slowly realised how Hardy's are such a great example of the problems of post war British industry. Many of their recent decisions seem
very tough and but what do you say "that's business!"? By the way Hardy's in not actually owned by shareholders at all but was privately
bought by Jim Millar of Harris & Sheldon back in the 60s and I believe his son Max now chairs the company. Oh and one more thing. As I understand it, Hardy
reels will now say "designed in the UK" rather than "made in the UK" I don't think they ever actually misled customers about the
country of manufacture of their products.
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Shoeless Joe |
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Andy ... thanks for the parting the veil and allowing us an opportunity to gaze at the big picture.
Is the colonies-edition DVD of, The Lost World of Mr Hardy still slated for release next week? |
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AndyTrufflepig |
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I'm reluctant to appear to plug our film on a forum as surely it's pretty bad form but as Shoeless Joe was kind enough to ask about our release date I
guess it's okay to elaborate. "The Lost World of Mr Hardy" has been at the DVD authoring shop being 're-made' for The North American NTSC
format as this runs at a different speed and size from our European format. It is a completely normal and relatively painless operation but it looks like a big
film has come along and muscled us out of the queue. However we are just about complete and can very shortly go to press and have the American DVDs ready in a
week. My apologies to anyone waiting for the film, it is very frustrating for us too.
Onto a more sentimental note and a tail of woe - alas we have no redheads in our film! But it does strike a chord. I was asked in an interview recently if there were any surprises in the film. What did surprise me was when filming, one of the interviewees Jackie Dotchin MBE, a reel assembler since 1937 pulled out a picture from a 'works day out' in the 30s. There he is as a lonely little 14 year old apprentice but is surrounded by a hundred girls and some of them really are eye catching stunners. "Aye, we had our flirts" laughs Jackie in the film. My surprise was this photograph of a factory so full of beautiful young women, all excited and full of hope for their annual 'works day out - a trip to Glasgow in this case. I'm sure working at Hardy's was no picnic but I do feel we have lost something in that sense of camaraderie and fun that those young people could share with each other. Dear dear, you would never guess I'm still only 18 myself ;) Andy
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Brian Shaffer |
sounds good to me! | #59 | ||
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" Just once, I wish a trout would wink at me. "
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Serendipity |
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In making our film we slowly realised how Hardy's are such a great example of the problems of post war British industry.I read through all of this just now. I must say I am on the other side of it for the most part. Todays tradition was yesterday's innovation. Today's innovation will be tomorrow's tradition. I love the old Hardy reels, but I really don't care much about anything they've made since 1960. The replica reels were a nice concession to tradition, and I bought two. I've sold both. There was something soulless about them. So, I can't get too worked up about Hardy reels being made in China or Korea. I think tomorrow's tradition will have nothing to do with Hardy. It's already in the pipeline. I think in 50-100 years folks will be grabbing up Abels and Pates and Lamsons and whatever. American reels have dominated the industry for the last quarter century at least. We are the new tradition. The tradition of British reel making died 50 years ago. Shed a tear, move on. richard |
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